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Has anyone ever heard of this oil?
This week I will be purchasing a 96 E300D. I contacted the previous owner who was meticulous about maintenence - in his own way. The one thing that worries me is that he used Wolf's Head 15w-40 oil. Initial intervals were about 7000-9000 miles then about every 5000. There is 66K on the car and it looks brand new in all other repects.
Is anyone familiar with this oil? Is it diesel rated? Should this be a deal breaker? By the way, my 92 300D is for sale.
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1996 (W210) E300D 86K - Traded in for a Lexus 1992 (W124) 300D 2.5 Turbo 202K - Sold 1983 (W123) 300D, 146K - Sold 1970 280S, 263K - Sold - Beginning of addiction |
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Re: Has anyone ever heard of this oil?
I'd never heard of the brand, but if it is the Special Duty 15W-40, here is a spec sheet: http://www.ppclubricants.com/PDF/WolfHead/SpecialDutyMotorOil.pdf
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Re: Re: Has anyone ever heard of this oil?
I just found this... a forum on a site that is all about oils.
search for the word wolf http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php The talk on there is that Wolf's Head oil is a name that was owned by Pennzoil, was an economy line... and was sold a few times in recent years. It doesn't sound good, the little bit of talk that I read... and those oil change intervals are high, for regular (non-synthetic) oil, IMO. |
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I've heard of Wolf's Head ATF but I was unaware that they had an oil line.
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Wolfshead Oil has been around for at least 50 years and it was a 100% pure Penn. oil, my dad used it in his trucks when i was a kid but i'm sure the company has been sold and wouldn't know anything about the quality of the oil today.
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Wow, dosen't look too good so far... Could there have been ant substantial damage done in only 66K?
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1996 (W210) E300D 86K - Traded in for a Lexus 1992 (W124) 300D 2.5 Turbo 202K - Sold 1983 (W123) 300D, 146K - Sold 1970 280S, 263K - Sold - Beginning of addiction |
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why would someone use a cheap oil in a mb diesel?
i would steer clear .. if he were using say rotella-t dino then i would say ok but he is basically playing russian roulette buy using no name oil... I only use mobil1 or rotella-t synthetic in my three vehicles and still change the oil and filters every 3000 miles.. which brings me to my next question... wut type of oil filter is has the clown been using.. probably those crappy cans of cotton made by purolator.. I only use hengst or mann filters.. being that the oil is the life blood of that engine i would take a long hard look..
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1994 S-350 6cyl Turbo Diesel 158k 1998 300d 6 cyl Turbo Diesel 143K 1993 2.5 124 Turbo-Diesel 236 1990 2.5 124 Turbo-Diesel 228k 1983 SL-500 EURO W/HEATED SEATS 40K SOLD 1977 Jaguar XJ6 Coupe Antique Roadster 85K SOLD 1993 2.6 6 cyl 190 E 150k SOLD 1992 2.5 124 Turbo-Diesel 204k RIP 1992 124 300 TD 265K OIL PUMP QUIT @ 85MPH |
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I'd check the condition of the engine and see how well or poorly things checked out. If the motor runs strong and hot oil pressure is good, then great. I'd remove the oil filter cap and look at the cam and see how much sludge there is. You might also check the chain for "stretch" (elongation). If its more than 1-2 degree than I would stay away.
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Give it a rest. You'd think the car was going to self destruct if every little item was not perfect. These are MBs not Yugos. Cars can be hammered with the very best oil in them. Look at the CONDITION. How anal can we get??
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slowmoe,
Get a compression test done, as well as a leakdown test. If that checks out ok, I would be satisfied the engine has not been abused by the brand of oil, or the change intervals. Once I got the car, assuming the compression test showed it was within new car specs, I would switch to Mobil Delvac 1 and expect the car to last a long time. If the compression is low, or there is significant variation from lowest to highest cylinder I would stay away unless the leak down check shows there is a valve problem. Then you can figure what the head rebuild is worth and try to negotiate that cost off the purchase price. In any case I would not buy a used car that I had not had compression tested. Good luck, Jim
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Own: 1986 Euro 190E 2.3-16 (291,000 miles), 1998 E300D TurboDiesel, 231,000 miles -purchased with 45,000, 1988 300E 5-speed 252,000 miles, 1983 240D 4-speed, purchased w/136,000, now with 222,000 miles. 2009 ML320CDI Bluetec, 89,000 miles Owned: 1971 220D (250,000 miles plus, sold to father-in-law), 1975 240D (245,000 miles - died of body rot), 1991 350SD (176,560 miles, weakest Benz I have owned), 1999 C230 Sport (45,400 miles), 1982 240D (321,000 miles, put to sleep) |
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I've heard of it before, I suppose I've never considered it before and don't really have any information on it. Always struck me as some cheap no-name crap that I've only seen at a store or two (Tractor Supply Company?).
Myself I wouldn't fear motor wear as much as I would the stuff gumming up on the seals, maybe there is a bad one somewhere and first time you put a good synthetic in there it'll start gushing oil. However a compression test would be nice if you had the time and tools.
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Thanks, guys.
I had my mechanic look it over today. He took off the oil fill cap and gasped at how new everything looked. I passed on the compression test b/c of limitted time and his response. I hope I do not regret it!! As a side note... These cars sure do ride softer than the 124's. Maybe it is because I am used to a new front end and HD's on all fours. I love the rest of the car - I will just have to get used to the ride...I feel a new thread comming on... I will post some pics as soon as I can The car is mine tomorrow at 5pm!!
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1996 (W210) E300D 86K - Traded in for a Lexus 1992 (W124) 300D 2.5 Turbo 202K - Sold 1983 (W123) 300D, 146K - Sold 1970 280S, 263K - Sold - Beginning of addiction |
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