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Old 11-12-2003, 10:50 AM
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Opinions please - price for 87 TD wagon?

I would like some opinions on what you think is a reasonable price for an 87 6cyl wagon that seems to be in immaculate shape. This is a Florida car, garaged, records and looks great in photos. HOWEVER, they are asking $13,900 (at a dealership). Car has 161K so pretty average mileage and even though it looks great, that is not so rare for MB . This price seems way out of line (average prices I have seen on these wagons in other places are about half that) My question - how much of a premium is the great condition worth (assuming it really is in great shape and doesn't just look good in photos?)Any thoughts?
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:00 PM
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Hey, I've got one with only 135K that I'll sell you for $14.5K!

Seriously, that's way too much. You're more in the ballpark at half that price. If it truly is perfect, with that milage, maybe $8-$9K. But perfect would mean you couldn't tell the difference between it and a brand new car. Perfect paint, perfect body - no door dings or scratches, perfect wheels, perfect interior, perfect wood, perfect dash, new a/c evaporator, everything. I've never seen a car that nice. Oh, it better have perfect books and records too.

If it's a more typical car in very nice shape, and not needing more than one or two minor repairs, then maybe as high as $8K, but no more. Probably closer to $7K.

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Old 11-12-2003, 01:48 PM
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That does seem a bit high. I had a similar thread last week. Ultimately I decided not to go for the car, but you may want to. The seller has sent more pics since the thread was posted, which I will be happy to forward to you if interested.

What's she worth?
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:56 PM
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I agree with jcyuhn that $13,900 is way too much. I have seen these cars range from $3,000 to $15,000 in price. I just picked one up for $3,250 on the east coast and am having it shipped to CA, so I will soon see what I am getting.
Along with the interior shape, there are other major expense items that need to be looked at. For a car in the $7,000 range, I would hope it has a new tranny or the head was replaced with new radiator and water pump. Sometimes, they will have a rebuilt engine. Otherwise, these might be unexpected expenses soon. Other things to look for are new A/C and sunroof.

Rare or not rare, the car is 16 years old and the blue book is under $4,000. Tell the owner this!

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Old 11-12-2003, 02:56 PM
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Very true. A 1987 300TDT isn't worth what they're asking. I know that those (603) engines have a problem (can't remember what), something happens prematurely to them. Maybe the head cracks prematurely or maybe it's something with the pistons... in any case it involves major engine work. Consider that in the price.
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Old 11-12-2003, 03:06 PM
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With mileage that high, anything over $10k is too much, unless it has a NEW cylinder head AND is near showroom condition with absolutely NOTHING wrong, anywhere on the car. Oh, and have all records since new, too. You will almost never find those "perfect" cars at dealerships. They usually get auciton cars and detail them to look really nice, but mechanically it could be problematic. If it's really nice, something around $7-$9k would be more reasonable. I'd also check CarFax closely. I've found numerous "Florida" cars (or otherwise south/west cars) that spent their first 10-15 years in the Rust Belt, then magically migrated south/west and became "rust free" on some dealer's lot. Yeah.... right. Be careful out there.

BTW - the expensive problem with the 86/87 six cylinder diesels is the cylinder head. A car with a new head is definitely worth more, IMO. The new heads are stronger and don't crack like the originals. It was the 1990-95 3.5L engines used in the S-class that had problems with the connecting rods, which then ovals out the cylinders, requiring a new bottom end. Totally different problem...
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Old 11-12-2003, 03:33 PM
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Lemme guess....

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Old 11-12-2003, 03:38 PM
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Mercedes Showroom?


LOL - that wouldn't surprise me. They have had a beautiful Cabernet 87 300D sedan on their lot for most of this year. The price recently dropped from $12,900 to $10,900 but it still hasn't sold - gee, I wonder why. Coincidentally, that car spent its life in Maryland before migrating to Florida. I'd give them $7500 for it, if it passed a PPI at the MB dealer. Bummer it's 3000 miles away.

They also have a W124 E500 on the lot for the positively stupid price of $39k... a full $10-$15k beyond market value!
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Old 11-12-2003, 04:04 PM
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Since you guys are on the subject of Mercedesshowroom, I want to chime in on their sleaze factor. I was going to stop by there on my last trip to look at that burgundy car for Dave. They advertise an address of 601 N State Road 7 in Ft. Lauderdale, but in my dozens of trips to FTL I've never heard of such a road. All the streets and avenues in FTL are numbered, so it should be really easy. So I just checked with Mapquest, and the place is actually in Plantation on North West 40th Avenue. Not a prestigious address in Ft. Lauderdale, but an ordinary neighborhood out in the 'burbs.

I just bought 716-726 NorthEast 7th street, so I know these things. [/soapbox]

And they're closed on Sunday, so I didn't get to see the car.
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Old 11-12-2003, 05:55 PM
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Thanks for the advice - yes the car is at Mercedes showroom. If I decide to have a look at it it won't be until at least next week but I don't think it is going anywhere soon at the advertised price, and if I do go I will have a few things to add to my list of things to check for (but with all those records they have it should be obvious right?!
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:07 PM
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Interesting. Check out the burgundy sedan while you're there - seriously. Drive both. They should have equal power - don't let them tell you diesels are "slow". A good 87 will almost spin the tires on dry pavement if you stomp on the pedal... trust me, I own two of them...
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Old 11-12-2003, 10:55 PM
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I paid 6k for my TD--probably 2k more than I should have But hey, I truly love driving the car, so what the hell.

I'll second Dave's comment about the power of an OM 603. I tweeked my ALDA and WOW! What a difference! It's probably no quicker than my wife's tdi, but it really feels like a rocket now, and it pulls strongly up to 100 mph--no problem. Typically returns 30 mpg for me on either biodiesel or dinosludge.

Bottom line: Great cars, but caveat emptor.
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That dealership is obviously trying to use the car's rarity to jack up the price. Keep in mind, 1987 was the only year MB put a diesel engine in the W124 wagon, for the U.S. market. According to Nitske's book, in 1987 MB only made 2,683 of these. 297 of those were 4-matics. That very low total production number was for world sales. I haven't been able to find out how many of those made it here. I am guessing about 1000 because all the other years MB made this model, the production numbers were in the 1200-1400 range.
From what fellow members of the MBCA say, $7K is average. I won't tell you what I paid for mine (ok, the wife's), because you wouldn't believe me. Let's put it this way, they didn't realize what they had on their hands.
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Old 11-13-2003, 09:58 AM
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I paid too much but got what I wanted

I know that I paid too much for mine after reading these posts. ($8700 last April)

I was looking for a new VW tdi wagon but VW hadn't made one for the model year 2003 (white, GLS options, leather, traction control, manual tranny) and the dealers were very difficult to communicate with.

I have always had a Benz and was familiar with the line but figured that I'd never find a '87 wagon in white. This one had 144K miles on it when bought last April. My mechanic had service records for the last 3 years. the car had service records up to 100K miles. Only missing about 2 years and 15K here. Had a new fan & clutch, new brakes & rotors front & rear. New tailgate shocks. I had a compression test done before purchase and it was close to factory new. I did have the cam chain replaced after purchase.

I do like the car a lot and driving is a real pleasure. As you can tell from current miles I do drive a lot.

Does anyone have an extra set of wheels for this??? I like to keep snow tires on the rims if possible.
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Old 11-13-2003, 11:52 AM
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CWA, that isn't "too much" if the car was really excellent, with good records like you describe - especially if you plan to keep it for another 150-250kmi. Compared to most newer vehicles on the market today, you got a bargain, IMO.

About the wheels. I'll tell you what I tell everyone else with a W124 chassis. Use the stock 15x6.5 wheels for snow tires (stick with the stock 195/65/15 tire size). Then get some nice 16" wheels from a later model C-class or E-class (W202, 203, 208, or 210). They bolt right up, no problem, and look GREAT. You can usually get a set *with decent tires* for $400-$500 if you shop around long enough. The preferred size is the 16x7.0 wheels with 205/55/16 tires, which is very common on the 202/203 cars. The 16x7.5 wheel with 215/55/16 tire from the W210 will also work fine.

Here's a photo of my '87 300D with W202, C280 Sport wheels:
http://www.meimann.com/images/mercedes/87_300D_white/new_wheelsL.jpg

And here's a shot of the same car with CLK320 wheels:
http://www.meimann.com/images/mercedes/87_300D_white/snow_shoes.jpg

Both are 16x7.0 with 205/55/16 tires, btw.

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