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Old 12-02-2003, 10:23 PM
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Ok im new to this. So what you guys are saying is i can burn 100% unmixed Vegetable oil (corn oil in my case) and the car will run fine and i wont hurt nething. If this is true i have some big plans for the future then. This weekend though i plan on unhooking the diesel line off the small fuel filter and sticking it in a corn oil bottle to see what will happen.

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Old 12-02-2003, 11:06 PM
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Do a search on biodiesel and you'll see.

FYI, straight veggie oil, or svo is only stay's liquid up until certain temperatures.

I live in Miami and could use SVO without any problems. As it gets colder, you may run into some problems. Nothing major from what I understand. Some others have had their SVO "gel up" and cause cars not to start until they get warmer.

Picture olive oil left in a fridge overnight. It gels up until it gets warmer, than pour on your salad.

There are other variables of course, but I find it very interesting.

Some members run svo and have had no problems.

One great site is veggievan.org

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Old 12-02-2003, 11:27 PM
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So i can give it a shot i just want to make some money off my dad on abet we made this weekend. I will just be running on it maybe 10 minutes
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Old 12-03-2003, 06:45 AM
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It would be much easier to just pour a gallon in when it's low on fuel. Your Dad will be surprised at the smell.

Better yet, let it run out of fuel and promptly solve your "problem" by using a gallonof wesson you conceniently have in yoir trunk.


Or, just mix a gallon when you have about a 1/4 tank left.

It will work. I mixed 4.5 gallons to about 3/4 of a tank and the var is quieter and running fine.

Did you try the other forums?
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Old 12-03-2003, 11:28 AM
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So i can give it a shot i just want to make some money off my dad on abet we made this weekend. I will just be running on it maybe 10 minutes
Bet your dad as much as he can afford. This is easy money for you.

If you're using corn oil, the exhaust will smell like steaks on a barbecue. It will take a few seconds for the oil to make its way through the fuel filters, but when the exhaust smell changes, then you'll know its working. Post his reaction and your winnings amount after you do it.
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Old 12-03-2003, 12:39 PM
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Well i cant wait for the car to run out of diesel because its sitting in our garage im doing a mile restoration to it.

BIG QUESTION does the 123 300 D turbo have two fuel pumps or one. Because my idea is just to take the fuel line off the little filter and stick it in the bottle of oil Do i have to worry about diesel squierting out of the line thats unhooked now.?
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Old 12-03-2003, 12:45 PM
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Just the one pump. You might have some fuel flow from that hose if the level in the tank is really high. Last time I did a Diesel Purge nothing came from the supply hose, but you might want to have something handy to plug it just in case.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:13 PM
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Guys I cant believe it. I just ran my moms diesel on svo corn oil to be more specific. I could not believe how quiet the thing got once it started burning the oil. I used a mason jar full of oil and stuck the supply line in i was surprised how quick it was sucking in the oil but i forgot that it was a return style fuel system so after sucking in two jars of oil i hooked the supply line back up so i dont suck air into the ip and then let it run at first nothing special happened and i though uhh it was hyped up story about burning svo but then after a few seconds it just got quiet almost as quiet as a gasoline engine. I was so excited I called my uncle outside to see it run because he also said it would not work. He said they tried it in the army in Yugoslavia in the tanks it it burned too quickly and ran crappy but he was surprised that the benz liked it.


So on to another important question. WHY THE HECK DOESNT THE WHOLE WORLD USE SVO OIL or a mixuture isnt it much cleaner for the world and safer for humans to breathe in the fumes whats the deal?
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Repeat your test in the upper midwest in January and you will have one answer to your question. The engineering has to be there to make sure the oil is at least warm enough to flow. Additionally, it has to be warm enough so that it will not clog the fuel filter. Finally, it has to be hot enough to burn cleanly without coking the combustion chamber.

On that last one, I know several people are burning oil in unheated systems with no apparent ill symptoms, so it may not be as much of an issue. I think it is fair to say the jury is still out on that one. I personally preferred to make sure the oil is plenty warm when it gets to the injector.
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Yea but if we had a bunch of people making oil or that algea stuff i read about than it would be cheaper.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:30 PM
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Jugo...wlecome to the world of renewable fuels.

I suppose the main reason that the whole world does not run on vegoil is ....there is not enough vegoil. And of course..it is more expensive.

Unless you are running on WVO (waste vegoil) from deep fat fryers vegoil is much more expensive than petrodiesel. Runnnig on wvo of course requires that you collect and prefilter the wvo which is much more bother than most folks are willing to accept...when the alternative is to pull into a fuel station and stick the nozzle in the filler neck.

Conversion of your fuel system and a prefilter unit can cost from $250 (if you make it yourself) to $2,000 (for kits).

Of course once you are set up it is nearly as easy to run on vegoil as diesel. I live in MN and have over 30,000 miles on wvo. figuring my costs of conversion and prefiltering my fuel costs me less than a dime a gallon...and it takes about the same time committment to prefiltering wvo as filling at the fuel station...if you have the right rig.

I have developed simple conversion components for those that are the DIY type...and sell the "how to" make them files at my netfirms website. If you are not the DIY tpe (or have more money than you know what to do with) several converion kits are available. Search for Neoteric or Greasel if you want to find these.

And yes...different oils have different exhaust smell. I get my wvo from the loca china buffet and it smells kinda like a barbque going by. Beef one day..pork the next....with a faint background of chicken always.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:36 PM
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To me though it sounds like the 123 that i have will rune on svo or wvo without any modification it sounds much better on the oil than the diesel oil problem i see is gelling in the cold months but with better glow plugs and a little additive in the oil im sure it would be fine.
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:04 PM
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Well...how well your diesle runs on vegoil depends on several things. In climates where vegoil can get thick..or in my case (MN) solidify a bit of conversion is required...but in tropical climates some diesels will actually start when "cold" on strait vegoil...but lack power unless the oil is thinned by mixing diesel fuel or warming with a fuel heater (either coolant heated or 12vdc). And some problems with upper ring land coking may be experienced eventually if the vegoil visosity is not lowered.

Not as simple as just pouring in vegoil and going..but not very difficult either.

A good forum with friendly participants (much like this one) for finding out more on the subject is at:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=447609751&f=159605551

My netfirms site also has a FAQ page for those that don;t want to wade through tons of posts (though the inopop forums archives are pretty simple to search) for answers to basic questions.
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Old 12-05-2003, 05:16 PM
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Talking 300D +WVO=happy motoring

So far so good with my 300D on WVO. I just built my own kit (heated tank in trunk) and start on diesel, switch to WVO after the engine's hot. Right now the car is outside here in upstate New York. It's about 10F out there and I am absolutely certain it will start on diesel and I can switch to WVO in 10 minutes or less. The WVO I get (used soy oil from a chinese place) is thick but still liquid down to about 20F. No big deal since I start and stop on diesel in the winter anyway. In the summer (in PA) I don't bother with diesel. Car will start at 50F and above (with a little smoke) on unheated WVO. I've done about 25,000 miles on WVO - a little less power than diesel but so what and who cares!

Good luck, and you're right, it's better for the environment because the carbon coming out the exhaust was in a plant, not a mile underground, 6 months ago, so no net change.

Ain't diesels fun?!

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