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Old 01-21-2012, 08:52 PM
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One of those FWD campers?

[edit] LeSharo!

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Old 01-21-2012, 08:53 PM
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I should add that those Cat D399s I mentioned in an earlier post were speed controlled to maintain what I recall to be 1200 RPM regardless of load.

So their oil consumption was not so much do with engine speed or the lack of it so much as it was the amount of resistance on the shaft.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:07 AM
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There is more load in D than P despite TC stall.

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Curious why is there more load? To me the only difference is the brakes vs. the parking gear holding the turbine of the TC. Is the pressure within the TC increased when in D?
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:48 AM
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In park the tranny is in neutral so the torque converter is not being pulled against.

In D with the park brake set it is loading the torque converter so there is a bit more resistance for the motor to pull against. Probably not enough to matter though. I suspect the comment was made more tongue in cheek than anything else.

I have idled my MB many times overnight or all day in very cold weather. It is not as good a duty as running constantly at a load such as on the highway but the harm done seems to be minimal.

If offered the option of idleing a few days or having a huge issue getting one started I would not hesitate to let it idle.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:49 AM
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Is it load or is it heat? You could generate heat at idle by reducing the capacity of the cooling system.
This is theoretically correct, I believe but I see no practical way to achieve it without risking damage to the engine.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:37 PM
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One of those FWD campers?

[edit] LeSharo!

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yup.

I have another one right now that I'm working on. removed the Renault and am transplanting a buick 3.8 Been on hold for the last year as I have been to busy playing with the MB's
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Old 01-22-2012, 01:18 PM
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this may be a bad comparison

and may have been said already. How much different were the old Mercedes diesel generators they had on refrigerator trucks compared to a regular MB diesel? They would have those engines idling non-stop for months
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:10 PM
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Further (anecdotal) info - diesel idling

When I was OTR trucking (before I bought an APU) I would idle overnight w/ a 3406E Cat. At dead idle (~725-750 rpm) the engine would use 1.2 to 1.25 gal/hr. If I set the idle up to 1000 rpm, it would use 1.00 to 1.05 gph. Advantages also in that coolant flow was increased (helps reduce possible hot spots) and oil flow increased also (piston crown cooling).
Disadvantage (as stated previously in this thread) low temps. (never park facing the wind, close up winterfront [if available], cardboard over PART of radiator if necessary).
Yes, that engine is a DI design. That said, I will idle my 300D if necessary to prevent cold start issues (at work I don't always have access to a shore line for the block heater). At home, it always gets plugged in.

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Old 01-22-2012, 03:13 PM
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This is theoretically correct, I believe but I see no practical way to achieve it without risking damage to the engine.
Partially blocking the radiator with a piece of cardboard should work.
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:22 PM
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Partially blocking the radiator with a piece of cardboard should work.
OH, of course. Why didn't you just say it that way.

I was picturing reducing the capacity of the cooling system to hold coolant.
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Old 01-22-2012, 05:39 PM
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I know on a commercial boat if you want to bring the engineer up to the wheel house, just idle the engines for a while. If going past a bunch of yacht harbors its hard to comply with his whining Cats will belch a big cloud of black smoke when reved up after a short time at idle.
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:47 AM
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Question: what is the fuel consumption of my 603 at the default dial "4" setting? (Assuming the engine is in good tune and gets normal average MPG driving.)

Anybody know how many gallons per hour are consumed, or given a full tank of diesel how many hours will she idle?

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Old 01-29-2012, 12:27 PM
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I can't figure this out.

Why can Diesel busses and trucks idle for long periods of time without any apparent damage, yet idling for extended periods is a no no for Mercedes Diesel cars.
I wonder if the OP still has the same car and still lives in Montreal? This thread was started in 2004.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:35 PM
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Idling = bad. Wet stacking, fuel contam lube oil , excess carbon in the combustion chanber.

There are now laws ( federal? ) that ban long term idling of engines in trucks over 5 ton.

Most engine manufacturers have recommended against long term idling.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:44 PM
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I wonder if the OP still has the same car and still lives in Montreal? This thread was started in 2004.
I am the original poster, and yes, I still live in Montreal. I sold my 95 E300D privetly 3 years ago, and bought a used 2001 Lexus ES300 at the time, and have not looked back since. When I sold my car it had approxiamtley 240,000 Miles. The engine, Transmission and Body were still perfect. My MPG were unbelievable, and it would start flawlessly outside at -25F without the aid of a Block heater.

However, I was coming due for another Glow plug change, and was paranoid that I may end up with the dreaded stuck glow plug(s) syndrome. I had changed them twice in the past with no problem, but maybe I was just lucky. So in view of the preceeding, I decided to sell the car.

I still log in here once in a while just to see what's going on, but now I'm mostly on the Lexus ES300 User group. I am sincerely thankful to this group for the past help that I was provided. You guys have really been great.


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