The help you guys have given me is priceless... My car starts now but I have to take the glow plugs out and turn the egine over to get rid of the exess fuel befor it will start. I only let it run for about three seconds so I wouldnt cause any damage.. I guess what I need now is info on the flooding prob.. lol.. quick fixes.. if there is such thing..

fuel flooding with this car usually means injector problems,you will want to get this fixed asap because it also means large amounts of fuel diluting your oil and reducing its lubricating qualities severely

You are going to need to describe more about how you have come to the conclusion you have.....
What happens when you turn the engine over with the glow plugs out ?
Why do you feel that too much fuel is getting into your engine ?
You have a mechanical fuel injection pump as far as I know.... with compensation for load.... but if you are just saying that fuel is squirted out with the glowplugs out... this is what would happen when the engine is working correctly also....
At what point does the engine start for you ? After what things which you do ... ? Are battery,cables, cable connections, starter, etc... all ok ?

what I think is going on is that when the plugs are taken out and the engine is turned over this gets rid of exes fuel.. all conections are ok. this is a car that I was told by the previos owner had a blown engine.. Iv had good luck whith other cars in this so calle blown condition in the past. but Im new to the diesel world.. any way after clearing the extra feul in this manner the engine starts whith a minamum of rotations. the oil dose apere to be deluted. and was over the full mark on the dipstick..

I would pull the injectors and take a close look at the tips. One might look differant from the rest, replace that one, change your oil, see what happens.

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Johnny,

How does the engine run? If it runs without any severe knocking, you won't hurt it by runnung it providing the lubricating oil isn't diluted. If it knocks on one cylinder, you have a bad injector.

If you run the engine for a few seconds, I could understand why there was excess fuel in the cylinders. You haven't given the engine a chance to burn off the excess starting fuel. Any excess fuel will go out the exhaust valves in a few revolutions when the engine is running. Maybe a good Italian tune up will fix your problem.

BTW, saying the engine is "blown" tells me nothing. You gave to be more specific for an accurate diagnosis.

P E H

How can you "flood" a Diesel?!

Assuming you have enough compression ANY fuel in the cylinder should ignite as the piston approaches TDC.. There are no spark plugs here to foul with raw fuel

What am I missing here?

Too much fuel requires more heat to burn...

Yes you can flood a diesel and then they are bears to start! Diesel fuel doesn't evaporate out like gasoline.

Stu Ritter seemed to recommend pull starting them. I've done it with a lite sock soaked in diesel stuffed down the intake. It was tied around a wire and quickly extracted. Quite a parking lot spectical on a very very cold day!

Michael

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Samiam4,

"Too much fuel requires more heat to burn" HUH??

Since when is burning Diesel fuel is an endothermic reaction?

P E H

HMM !!!!! some food for thought...lol where to start??? OK I got the car from a man that said that the engine was blown up. I have never heard a blown engine run. I think its not possible.. any way when I got the car it would not start at all. I touk out the injectors and blew threw them with air presure. dont know if it made any dif or not but the car stil didnt start after that. when I took the glow plugs out to check them, and they were all wet with fuel and got red hot I decided it must be a case of to much fuel. I turned the engine over a few times with the glow plugs out to remove extra fuel. replaced them and tried once again to start it. it started befor turning over two rotations. I let it run for only a few seconds and shut it of. so not to cause any damage from the oil wich is definately diluted with fuel. that is were i left it. Im in cali with my girl till the 30th so I cant try any of your tips till after that. but Im anxious to try them. espically the itallion tune up.. lmao !!! thats a new one for me. could you expand on that for me???

Jonny,

Italian Tune Up: run it wide open for about 10 miles.

The only way a Diesel engine can be flooded is to crank the engine with out it firing because the injection pump must be turning to inject fuel. However, a Diesel will usually start when flooded because there are no spark plugs to foul. If the temperature is hot enough in the cylinder or pre chamber, the fuel will spontaneously combust.

P E H

Sounds to me like blown injector tip(s). Then the injectors will dribble. Or dirty/wet fuel scored the nozzle body at the bottom, with the same result. The "blown engine" was probably the tip(s) going - you get a big cloud of unburned fuel out the tailpipe. My advice is to do this: 1) burn the fuel/oil/water that comes out the hole when you purge it. If it spatters then it's water (head gasket?). 2) then find out the pressures required for your injectors. Take the injectors to a Bosh shop (after getting recommendations) and have them all tested and rebuilt. Don't take the injectors apart until they're tested. 3) become a fuel fanatic. Dirty/wet fuel gets expensive.

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