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Spotter: augsburg81 $1.75 $1.84 $1.93 $1.50 diesel


I always stop here on way north

$2.179 today at an indie in Vancouver, Washington. A few other stations down the street were gouging at 2.259 Texaco and 2.339 Shell.
The thing that gets me is that all of them get their diesel from the same place.

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84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

Price of gas/diesel is proportional to the price of crude, which is currently a little over $40/barrel. 6 months ago it was $33/barrel, and a year ago around $29/barrel. So 35% increases in fuel prices should not be a surprise. Diesel is a little strange, because it rides along with fuel oil prices, and it's high in the winter and lower in the summer, while gas is just the opposite.

Currently it's $1.59 for diesel and $1.78 for 87 octane at the cheap stations (add $.10 for the name brands) in North Alabama.

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1987 560SL
2007 E320 Bluetec
1998 C280 (now son’s car)
1982 240D Manual - Sold

Oh MAN do I feel sorry for you people................ NOT!!

In Norway diesel is over $4 a gallon, but still cheaper than gas...



Steinar

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Well Larry, maybe Shell didn't want to admit they are shutting down a profitable refinery to create shortages to increase their already huge profit margins. Perhaps they didn't think people would take it the right way. But the reasons they give for shutting it down have been proven to be factually wrong, thanks to leaked internal documents. The same types of actions created the electricity crunch in CA recently. It was blamed on enviro regs causing the shortages, then it was proven that collusion between the electricity producers, including Enron, created the shortages to skew the supply/demand equation. They are acting in their shareholder interests, of course, as all good Americans should, I guess....

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'84 300SD veg-oil bliss
'83 300SD veg-oil beater

Of course they did, American corporations are as predictable as gravity. They are going to do whatever they can to maximize profits.

How about directing some anger at the politicians that created the environmental rules for fuel formulations and refining restrictions that cause California to be in a position of having the highest fuel prices in the country?

Here's a link for Petro diesel prices
around the country ..

http://www.petrotruckstops.com/fuel_search.sstg?interstate=&state=&Submit=Submit&search_form=1&sort=

and Flying J prices

http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=ALL

Triffin

It's $ 1.62 here in North Carolina. I guess we are just lucky.

TimFreeh definitely "gets it."

Have a great day,

Well I guess I don't get it. Why is it O.K. to be angry at enviromental regs designed to protect the public health, but not at corporations that lie to price gouge us? Without enviro legisletion there would be a Love Canal in every neighborhood in America. Many states require specialy formulated gas, not just CA. A classic of how the petroleum lobby subverts the common good is the addition of MTBE into gas in CA. They assured everybody it was harmless, and lobbied intensely to get it chosen over ethanol as an oxygenator in gas, and now it's in over 10,000 well sites. Guess who they are going to pass the cleanup costs along to? BTW it's a byproduct of natural gas refining that they used to have to pay to get rid of. Another good one was the land they gave to L.A. county for building a school in return for huge tax credits, and guess what? After they build the school, so many toxic vapors were leaking up they had to abandon the project. I guess we can just tell the poisoned children of America "it's O.K. after all they did make a profit on the deal".

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Matt

Do yourself a favor and do some reading about the MTBE issue.

You will find:

1) requirements of the Clean air act of 1990 FORCED the petroleum industry to add oxygenators (sp?) to fuels to "improve" emissions performance. The refining industry did not benefit at all from these changes, as end users of fuel we all pay for it.

2) MTBE is cheaper than ethanol so guess which one the oil industry is going to use?

And the most absurd issue is that oxygenated fuels only reduce emissions on cars that do not have O2 sensors - which these days is about 5% of the total cars on the road.

We now know that MTBE has contaminated a significant number of wells in the country.

Why should the petroleum industry pay for the cleanup?

I guess I'm just strange but I think oil companies do a fantastic job - I've been buying fuel for 25 years and I've not EVER bought one tank of bad fuel. It's available 24 hours a day 365 days a year and even at todays elevated prices its almost as cheap at bottled water. Fuel oil and propance keep my home nice and toasty in the winter for an annual cost of around $500.

Just for the records, I don't work for an oil company.

As of this morning, it's still holding at $1.59 a gallon here (Amoco Premium Diesel). Unleaded gas however is $1.78 and up...Personally I find it amusing that americans will gladly pay in excess of $5/gallon for unnecessary things such as Coke and even more for filtered water, but touch their fuel cost and look out!!

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Well Tim, I have done a lot of reading about it, and when you factor in the long term costs of polluted groundwater cleanup there is no way MTBE is cheaper, and the energy companies DID benefit from using their political clout to have it chosen over the objections of every scientific body outside of the industry, which predicted this exact type of eco disaster. Their benefit? They used to have to disposed of as a toxic waste, and get to charge more for the gas they are putting it into. Did they pass on their savings on not having to dispose of it? Not. Ethanol is proven safe, and was the oxygenator chosen in nearly every state, yet you don't see huge price spikes in those states. And part of why they should pay for the cleanup is the lies they pushed about it's safety.

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'84 300SD veg-oil bliss
'83 300SD veg-oil beater

Ok guys, I'll give you my standard lines for 'rising petrol' prices ...

1) If you think that the oil companies are getting rich - you too can share in the profits - take a chance and buy their stock!

2) The greenies and the spineless wonders in Congress (past & somewhat present) have allowed the EPA to dictate something like 18 different blends for different cities ... those of you in CA ... well you started it!

3) The oil companies should be praised for keeping the price so cheap - take the half a buck or so off the price that your state and feds add for 'road use tax' and fuel is about the price of good bottled water. Its defiantly cheaper than milk that is produced close to home - not half a world away. Feel sorry for the folks on the other side of the Atlantic ... they allow their governments to charge them $4+ in taxes (see #6 below).

4) CO2 is not pollution - it's plant food

5) Why is it that ozone control is hot? Latest studies claim that plants seem to be a big contributor to the pollution that we are trying to control

6) Use some common sense in all things. When common sense lacks, man needs more laws which leads to more bs and even more $$ that come out of our pockets!

7) Keep running those diesels! I still like a giant car ... the 300SDL gets about 28mpg ... lets see even at $2.80/gal, it only cost 0.10/mile ... try that in a horse drawn carriage!

Matt

I've also done some reading on the subject, my conclusions are quite different from yours.

We have kind of hijacked this thread so I'm going to make this my last post, I'll let you have the last word on the issue.

I've got two questions for you...

1) Can we agree, at least in this specific instance, that the country would have been better off if the EPA had never required oxygenated fuels?

2) Who SHOULD be the prime mover watching out for the safety of the environment - the ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY or Petro-chemical refiners? Isn't the job of the EPA to make sure that private concerns can't do things that are not in the public interest? There is plenty of evidence that the EPA was wholeheartedly in favor of MTBE until about 1999. We know how you feel about the performance of the oil companies, how would you evaluate the performance of the EPA in this matter?

Take care - Tim