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Old 05-29-2004, 01:20 AM
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1000 miles on a 16 gallon tank

sorry, second post on the same topic, thoght this new heading might get more attention.

I was checking out the models they won't bring here, I was amazed to see the C series getting 62.8 claimed MPG on their CDI engines. Who makes the decisions on what cars to bring here? Why bring a 50,000 car over here so that a guy can save a few bucks on fuel, when the masses would better appreciate a 30,000 car and really save a fortune on their fuel allowance. Imagine getting 1000 miles out a 16 gallon tank. How about a signature drive? I am sure we diesel fanaticos could get someones attention. I WANT A C SERIES CDI, and I ain't taking NO for an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be the first to sign

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Old 05-29-2004, 01:28 AM
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Performance 0-62.5 mph: 11.7/11.9 secs *
Maximum speed : 129/126 mph *

* Manual / Automatic
The C 200 CDI engine delivers assured performance with excellent fuel economy, reaching 62.8 mpg on the open road, and 34.0 mpg in the city.

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http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/index.html
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Old 05-29-2004, 01:56 AM
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Remember thats English gallons. Would be around 50 highway, 27 town in US gals.
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Old 05-29-2004, 02:29 PM
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I can live with 50MPG.

If there is a 6 speed CDI C-Class available in the United States I'm pretty sure it would be my next car.

Hope they make it here.
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Old 05-29-2004, 03:11 PM
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A few years ago The Star magazine had a story about the European Diesels and gave this lame MB rationale for not bringing the new Diesels to America. I wrote a letter to them suggesting they could bring these cars over and lead the bandwagon for low sulphur Diesel, and define a new market segment. Luxury or near luxury sporty cars achieving more than 40 mpg. The "E" and "C" class cars would be unequalled, (zero to 60 in under 10 seconds while returning more than 50 mpg (highway), and up to 55 mpg with manual transmission for the C220 CDI and zero to 60 in less than 9 seconds returning 46 mpg on the the highway for the E270 CDI).

Well, as gas goes up maybe the Diesel will come back. The response I got from The Star was meaningless. All kinds of "its too hard" moaning from MB. Well, maybe now the time is right and we will see some of these machines. I sure hope so. Jim
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:14 PM
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Intercooled TDI VW in a w123?

Or one of there 4 motion drivetrains with the V6 TDI and a 6spd grafted into something..

I just don't think in new car terms I guess.

I'd rather spend the money putting a 603(or whichever the I-6 TD is) with a stick in a w126 coupe. But that's just me..

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I was reading a review in a European mag, forgot the name of it about a CLK270 CDI with a 5spd or 6spd manual! I'd kill for a black one. I think the price translated into mid $30's US.
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:26 PM
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when you think about it, why would anyone want anything other than a diesel? the new benz 320 cdi literally runs circles around the gas model and it can do it for more miles per gallon. I guess you either are a diesel head or you are not, kinda like being a chevy guy for being a ford guy.
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Over 50 mpg on a 6-cyl turbodiesel? I say that's BS. Not even the Jetta TDI or Civic Hybrid can do that unless they're driven very lightly on completely flat terrain or downhill. I'm all for spreading the good stuff about diesels but let's not spread false information. On a modern 6-cyl turbodiesel the highway mileage should be somewhere in the 30's.
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Old 05-30-2004, 01:46 AM
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i might have gotten carried away when i read the excellent mileage from the mercedes benz website, and as it was pointed out english gallons are different from US gallons, so I apologyze for my enthusiasm, still there is no denying the fact that these cars belong on this side of the pond as well.
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Old 05-30-2004, 02:00 AM
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I just studied some of the models on the UK website and converted the mpg numbers from UK to US gallons. Here are the results.

200 CDI (4 cyl) 29/53
220 CDI (4 cyl) 27/48
270 CDI (5 cyl) 26/47
320 CDI (6 cyl) 26/44

OK so no one claimed getting over 50 mpg on a 6 cyl so I take it back. But even the 44 mpg on the 320CDI seems wishful to me. I had a Civic Hybrid for a year which was rated at 42/51 but my mostly highway driving resulted in 44 mpg on average. That's why I'm skeptical of these numbers, especially the massive difference between city and highway mpg. But I think the fuel economy would still be quite impressive, especially compared to an equivalent gasoline model. I still stand by my prediction that the 320 CDI will yield highway mpg numbers somewhere in the 30's for most people.
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Old 05-30-2004, 03:37 AM
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I went to the German MB site and got the numbers I quoted by converting liters to gallons and dividing the fuel used into 62.1 miles. I meant to delete the 55 mpg figure, and I was using the 2.2 liter, 4 cylinder C220 CDI, while the figures for the E270 CDI reflect a 5 cylinder, 2.7 liter engine. Both had 6 speed manuals.

The German site also has a combined number which you can convert just as easily. This might represent a figure more readily attained in everyday driving, but there are published figures from car magazines with the E320 CDI configured for the US getting around 38 mpg actual for normal, or legal, highway driving, and up to 42 mpg if you want to stretch your fuel and drive behind trucks, coast down hills and leave the air conditioning off.

In any case, I think these new Diesels will become very sought after as gas climbs higher in price. I just filled the 190E 2.3-16 today and it cost $46. That will get me less than 400 miles. In my E300 TurboDiesel that much money gets me more like 900 miles.

I am still hoping for the next C class with a 2.7 liter CDI engine and a manual transmission in time to replace the 300E when it dies. Jim
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I would like to see more diesels offered in the US. It kind of irks me to see all these huge SUVs still being touted on TV. Reminds me of the mid '70s, when Americans couldn't get enough Japanese cars, while Detroit kept cranking out 12 MPG barges.
Even Toyota and Nissan, once perveyors of economy, are now selling their own 'monster trucks'.
Currently, isn't VW the only, non-SUV, diesel passenger car sold in the US? I hear about diesel Mercedes and Fords, etc coming soon but it always seems to be "next year". I'm not saying we should all drive Civics or VW TDIs, but I wish we had more choices.

As I see it, obstacles to increased US diesel sales are -

The general public's memory of GMs late '70s failed diesel 'experiment', which probably did more to kill diesel passenger car sales in the US than any other cause and the perception that all diesels are slow, noisy and smelly. (This is probably somewhat offset now by skyrocketing fuel prices and improved diesel technoloy)

California and Federal EPA regulations effectively banning diesels in the US.

Lack of better quality diesel fuel in the US.

Any opinions or comments?

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Old 05-30-2004, 02:24 PM
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VW has their SUV. It's called the Toureg. It has three engine choices, a V6, V8, and V10 TDI.

Well, some changs ARE on the pike. ULSD is on it's way. It'll be on the market in about two years. New technologies on the pike to further improve diesel engine emissions looks like they may be able to meet Tier II requirements on ULSD as well. All we can do is wait for the deadlines to get here.
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Old 05-30-2004, 03:12 PM
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howdy all,
well I agree with what mark was saying about the gm diesel screw up. and on the market in diesel you have a very limited rigs to look at. the vw diesels/ or a diesel pick-up/ and some mb diesels if I remember but could be wrong. another part of the problem is, the government won't let the auto makers bring in too many diesels.... the gas companys wounldn't like that!!! diesel is to effenent compared to gas. The government, auto makers, and gas company's are to busy greasing each others hand and padding there wallets to care about the general public.
Look at how long it took to get the hybides into the u.s., and they have been around for years. bring in more diesel rigs? that would hurt the oil companys, cause we wouldn't buy as much cause diesel is so much more efficant than gas.
They let the auto makers bring in the "euro looking cars" and most look cool and its not a bad thang at all, they just won't bring in the diesel version, but now jeep is working on it.
Just take a look at the escort, its a euro design, they moved the streering wheel to the left cause that was easy to do, but they left the gas tank filler tube on the right....hehehe... just ponder that one. take care all.


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