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Old 06-14-2004, 03:20 PM
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Talking 300SDL vs Honda Accord (4cy)

Ok I raced and lost. Well kind of, off the line the Honda took me and from a rolling start, at 40mph. But on the highway I pulled on him above 90. It was fun and my friend was impressed by the MB it has 200k more miles on it than the Accord and I out braked and out handled him, thanks to my sticky Yoko's. All good fun, future races: 300SDL vs. 1999 E300D; 1995 S600 vs. any Caddy or Vett, that wants to go.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:22 PM
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Re: 300SDL vs Honda Accord (4cy)

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Ok I raced and lost. Well kind of, off the line the Honda took me and from a rolling start, at 40mph. But on the highway I pulled on him above 90. It was fun and my friend was impressed by the MB it has 200k more miles on it than the Accord and I out braked and out handled him, thanks to my sticky Yoko's. All good fun, future races: 300SDL vs. 1999 E300D; 1995 S600 vs. any Caddy or Vett, that wants to go.
Honda weighs far less, doesn't surpise me, but then, does it really matter who crosses the finish line first?


I know that honda is NOT as comfortible as that SDL is.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:27 PM
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Well, if you lost to the Accord, then you might want to think twice before taking on an E300 turbo. I raced an acquaintence in an Accord a few months ago and absolutely ran away from him. He was screaming and beating on the steering wheel when my turbo kicked in and I flew past him.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:31 PM
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That's odd...I say that because my 123 turbo will outrun my mom's '00 Honda Civic without even trying hard.

I would guess that either that Accord's been modded or your 603 might have some power issues...
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:36 PM
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I raced and '87 300SDL in my '85 300D. I beat the SDL off the line but he eventually pulled away around 40 mph or so. I guess that's a typical "big block" vs. "small block" result.

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Old 06-14-2004, 05:38 PM
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Not that I'm a racer, but the benefit off the line and at speed from blocking the EGR and air recirc valve are huge. My car jumps off the line, and when that turbo kicks in... I can honestly say that I've never been taken by a 617.
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Old 06-14-2004, 06:14 PM
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the benefit off the line and at speed from blocking the EGR and air recirc valve are huge.
I should mention my EGR was blocked while the other person's wasn't.

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Old 06-14-2004, 09:41 PM
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My 190D 2.5 Turbo was about even with a mid-90s Accord 4 cylinder (non-VTEC I think... not sure though).

The SDL will pull steadily from a 123 turbo once the boost settles in. A stock TDI will get a jump on the SDL off the line because of weight differences, but again, everything changes once you get into the middle rpms and high boost.
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Old 06-14-2004, 10:02 PM
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My SDL was running 100%, it has all new fluids and filters, I just blocked the EGR and cleaned out the intake manifold. I also just put a new set of injectors in it. The Honda I was racing was an 01 0r 02 so it had the V tech 160 or 170 hp engine. There pretty quick. My Alda is in it's stock location, next summer I'm thinking about an intercooler kit and I'll take it from their. So a 4300 SDL with 148hp VS a 3500 Accord with 160-170hp. If I had a 400E I would have walked all over him.
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Old 06-14-2004, 10:10 PM
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My 190D 2.5 Turbo was about even with a mid-90s Accord 4 cylinder (non-VTEC I think... not sure though).

The SDL will pull steadily from a 123 turbo once the boost settles in. A stock TDI will get a jump on the SDL off the line because of weight differences, but again, everything changes once you get into the middle rpms and high boost.
I want a diesel that will outrun the honda I have in mind.............................No small task.
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My SDL was running 100%, it has all new fluids and filters, I just blocked the EGR and cleaned out the intake manifold. I also just put a new set of injectors in it. The Honda I was racing was an 01 0r 02 so it had the V tech 160 or 170 hp engine. There pretty quick. My Alda is in it's stock location, next summer I'm thinking about an intercooler kit and I'll take it from their. So a 4300 SDL with 148hp VS a 3500 Accord with 160-170hp. If I had a 400E I would have walked all over him.
BTW, if the ACCORD has 160-170 hp, then it should leave YOU in the dust at higher speeds. Horsepower DETERMINES topspeed. Plus you're dealing with poor W126 US spec aerodynamics.

Feel better, now?

Your car would be in top gear at around 90 mph, while the Honda would still be closer to its horsepower peak in a lower gear.

Methinks your car is running pretty darn well as it is.

A specially tuned M119 would humiliate most anyone with a normally aspirated V8 of any make or model. The E50 AMG M119 210 produced the same ponies as the E55 M113 210. Although it has about 40lb/ft less torque.
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Old 06-15-2004, 04:34 AM
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I know my 300CD(n/a) aint fast, and I don't really try racing people in it, because it is slow... It is just plain slow... on the other hand my other car is alot faster, and will beat Honda's with same or greater hp, VW VR6's, and many of those other ricers that havn't had serious engine modifications... it still won't beat a WRX though

I know a 300SDL should be able to beat a few cars, eventhough i have never driven one, I just know from what I have been able to do in the 300SD's I've driven
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Old 06-15-2004, 09:29 AM
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I raced one of those turtles the other day. You know, one of those snapper models. He looked all pissed off. Kind of mean looking and all with his shell all pointy and stuff. He had me big time off the line but I took him at about 3 shell lengths. Just left him in the dust from there. I was surprised, those turtles can be tricky you know.
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Old 06-15-2004, 05:22 PM
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I raced my 240D.....and won!

When the light turned green, the driver of the (3 cyl) Geo Metro and I floored our throttles and I beat him thru the intersection. Both of us were beaten by the young boy on a bike!
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Here is MS Fowler's story in full detail.

Was a hit over at mbworld.org!


I took a ride in my venerable old '83 Mercedes 240D last night!


I took a ride in my venerable old '83 Mercedes 240D last night. 2.4 liters of raw power, 4 cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror with 67 rompin stompin horse power at my beck and call. It's stock, all right, nothing done to it, but it pushes the 3200 pounds of German engineering around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise...


I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a streetlight. As the "D" rattled its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth my stiff upper lip.

I was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane.
I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. Geo Metro -- a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure.


The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle (Rattle Rattle!!).


As I tugged on my driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of seven screaming cylinders...


Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my four pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, as smoke pouring from exhaust pipe... I'd let it sit and idle too long!


I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his three cylinders.

He slung by me, right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as his gasoline powered 1.1 liters of motor stretched its legs.

I turned off my AC to gain 10% more power and kept my foot gamely in it. Then I saw a glimpse of chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth...
He was running a custom exhaust -- probably a 1.5-into-1 dual exhaust... maybe even cutouts! Damn his hotrod soul!


The old lady passing us on the crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... Yet still I persisted, with my four pumping pistons singing a steady, deep, diesel song, wound fully out.


Though only a few handfuls of seconds had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he missed the shift! I rocketed by!

Not ready to give up so easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch.


We careened over the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye.


I was waiting for the first dot on the speedometer to tell me to shift (no tachometer here!). Shifting, I nursed the clutch gently to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke, no that's diesel exhaust again...


He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, I shifted into third at 38 MPH - a little early, but better safe than sorry. The scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 42 miles an hour, then eased in front of me, taunting, as he shifted into fourth. I decided to keep my car in third, counting on the ability to pump out the power at higher speeds and lower gears.


I was staring up the dual 6" chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he lifted a little to take the next corner.


I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in carpet.

Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my German Diesel roll slowly to the left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt the front start to push a little, so I added more power only to realize that was all I had! But, I saw the right rear wheel lift on the Metro and realized he had reached his limit! Slowly I gained on him through the outside of the turn passing him with ease!!!


The Metro driver beat his wheel in rage as my car eased past him on the outside, my P175/R14's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next light.


We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. MB superiority reigns!!!


I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagen Van!
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