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I believe all the OM60x/61x engines are sleeved - dry sleeves. This is good because you can usually return the block to as new with fresh sleeves and a bore/hone (not cheap, though).
About the OM603 turbo heads. The casting number (not the orderable part number) is 603-016-xx-01, where "xx" is the revision number. The commone early head (through 1987 at least) was #14. I have heard a 15 exists but never seen one and they are rare. In the early 90's, the 17 head was used on the 3.5L in USA. There is a 20, and a 22 is the latest I know of. 14 is the flawed one that cracks easily. I do not know if 15 is "good" or not. #17 is the strengthened, crack-resistant head. 20 and 22 have additional modifications, one being a revised oil channel in front of the #1 cylinder. Here's some photos of a #14 next to a #22: |
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The 3.5L as in the "Battleship" (W140) SDL?
That's great info, Dave! Thanks a lot. I have four kids and don't have time to fix cars much. I already break the Range almost every time I go 4wheeling So learning reliability tricks about a Benz turbo is way useful.
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Battleship! Heh-heh. Yeah, that's the motor, used in the USA in the 90-91 W126, and 92-95 W140 SD/SDL. Those engines have a bad rep here too, the connecting rods were weak - they'd bend, then oval out the cylinder walls, oil consumption would increase to 1 quart per couple hundred miles, and a new short block was the cure. If you buy a 3.5L crate motor it will have new, stronger rods and the engines are OK then. The same head is used on both engines (3.0L and 3.5L).
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The $64k question ...
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Yup - no problem. It's located below the #2 injector. A flashlight may help....
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The 3.5L has a problem with understrength rods, and they often bend in normal service in the US, let alone Germany!
Cure is a complete overhaul with new liners, pistons, and rods, runs about $9000 US usually (50 hrs book time to do the engine, very expensive parts). The new rods appear to fix the problem, but only by doubling the price of the car. Symptoms are serious clanking as the piston beats around in the now oval cylinder (since the rods never bend exactly on the centerline!) and huge oil consumption. Oil smoke, however, can also be a bad turbo blowing oil out the seals. Much less expensive to fix. Peter
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If you catch the problem early enough, you don't always need new liners & pistons, but usually the problem is ignored (or not diagnosed properly) until it's too late. If you buy one of these engines that is running well and has zero oil consumption problems, it would probably be wise to proactively replace the rods while the pistons, liners, etc are all still good! One old German repair shop owner I know swore that was the way to prevent the problem - replace the rods before they bent. Nowdays finding a good 3.5L is awfully hard though. Too bad MB never imported the nice OM606.96x engine with the W140 in the late 90's, like they had in Europe...
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Peter, the 606.96x is the 3.0L, DOHC, intercooled, turbocharged engine used in the 1998-99 E300 diesel in the USA. Over in Europe, a variation of that engine was used in the W140 S-class, or so I'm told... haven't checked it out though.
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I have a 1996 Sales Brochure for the W140 S-Class and here it is... the S300 TD For Spec Sheet, etc. related to the S300 in the brochure click ->> S300 Turbodiesel CLICK HERE Excuse the poor quality 'scans' - If the pictures look funny that's because I took them with my digital camera and the pages werent exactly flat
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Redline (max engine RPM, not peak power) on the 3.0L, OM603.96x is 5150rpm, +/- 150rpm. Peak power is, I believe, around 4800? The 3.5L had a much lower redline (4400?) and the 1990-up OM602, 2.5L also had a reduced redline (44-4800 I think). Almost all MB diesels produced through 1989 had the same redline specs of ~5150. The only MB diesel I know of with a *higher* redline is the non-turbo OM606 used from 1995-97, which was 5600, IIRC... (!!)
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