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View Poll Results: How have you changed your MB diesel?
Different air filter system 13 56.52%
Changed the turbo 2 8.70%
Changed the turbo's stock PSI output 11 47.83%
Added gauges (PSI, EGT, IAT, etc) 14 60.87%
Changed the suspention/brakes 11 47.83%
Changed the IP internally 5 21.74%
Added additional fuel/oil filters 8 34.78%
Added a Intercooler 7 30.43%
Added H2O injection 3 13.04%
Added propane 2 8.70%
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:03 AM
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If you like your turbo you should make that post injection only.
Did you check out the discussion at the super turbo forum?

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Old 04-23-2008, 10:10 AM
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Did you check out the discussion at the super turbo forum?
What forum? (BTW, I've notice posting has dropped off quite a bit since they banned most of their key posters.)

Pre-turbo injection will be like sand blasting your compressor blades. 130,000rpm wheel + liquid contact with the blade edges = wear.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:18 AM
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Are you banned on schuman automotive forums?

Well the idea is that only a small nozzle would be used pre-turbo. The smaller the nozzle the finner the mist.

Then I plan to inject it just outside the air filter box, the water has a longer time to evaporate.

I was thinking of a ~60cc/min nozzle pre-turbo and ~300-400 cc/min nozzle right after the turbo.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:27 AM
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Are you banned on schuman automotive forums?
Since 02/23/2008 When Henry went on a childish rampage and banned 5 of his top posters because he does not understand how copyright works.
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Any water injection at all pre-turbo is a bad idea.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:30 AM
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Since 02/23/2008 When Henry went on a childish rampage and banned 5 of his top posters because he does not understand how copyright works.
That SUCKS! One less forum I can check while at work . Who else is banned?
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:36 AM
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Who else is banned?
winmutt, me, bgkast and Tymbrymi were all banned within 24hours, TheDon lost his moderator powers a few days later and Brian Carlton was banned a LONG time ago.

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Old 04-23-2008, 11:05 AM
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Well the idea is that only a small nozzle would be used pre-turbo. The smaller the nozzle the finner the mist.

Then I plan to inject it just outside the air filter box, the water has a longer time to evaporate.

I was thinking of a ~60cc/min nozzle pre-turbo and ~300-400 cc/min nozzle right after the turbo.
Ever hear of waterjet cutting?
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:39 AM
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Ever hear of waterjet cutting?
I think that is what Surf n Turf's stainless steel shop uses... its crazy!
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:10 PM
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Waterjets use water and a cutting media. We use finely ground garnet.

No mods yet, unless you include installing a working CD/radio.
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Old 04-23-2008, 05:38 PM
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I have a straight-pipe side dump...and LPG injection is in the works...
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:53 PM
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Has anyone tried pre-turbo water injection? Steam shouldn't hurt a turbo, it gets some steam already along with soot etc.

The "cool" part of water injection pre-turbo is that steam has a 1:16000 expansion rate, could make for some extra fast spool-up and boost with 900*F exhaust if upstream enough. Plus cooling the charge slightly, I've been considering it also.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:29 AM
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Water droplets contacting the wheel is not good.

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