Does any one know how to get a motor from valtonen motorsports in Finland. I have the undersatnding that myna diesel in finland makes the fuel pumps for them. I am also have the understanding that they have figured out how to do the mods without doing engine damage.http://www.kolumbus.fi/valtonen.motorsport/ That link is the website for valtonen ms. they have a i5 diesel putting out 446hp!!!! could i get a fuel pump from them and get my mechanic to add intercooler and modify my exhaust and and change the turbo? What size turbo and injectors should i get? check this site out and also go to this site so you can see why i have to this setup.

they use a supercharger and a monster turbo

the video was the first and last time the car was running i think.....
unless you only want a 60 second ride......i wouldnt go that crazy


with a pump upgrade....you will need a fairly larger turbo to use all the diesel its pumping out
then your tranny will take a dump, fix it, then your blaa will break and so on till you decide its not worth it anymore


these engines are so strong because they dont put out any power worth talking about

do a compression test, if all is well make sure EVERYTHING else is working properly...then

IC, exhaust, pump timing, ALDA removed, pump limiter removed, 14 psi should be enough, all that should give you 100hp+, 200tq+ i think, no dyno yet

then get a myna pump and you will have 150hp, lots of black smoke

THEN get a bigger turbo, VNT from a powerstroke , or holset lag monster

the more power you push out , the faster it will wear out and die

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

NFW will the stock injection pump with tweaks give +100 HP and +200 ft*lb torque. Nobody has figured out a good way to get much more power from the stock MW pump. For anything over 25 more HP or so you will need to talk to MYNA, but be prepared to spend big $$. I would recommend a holset VGT and a MYNA pump for serious power. AFAIK the Finns are running a fairly stock transmission and drive train.

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1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine

Forced has 107 hp and 194.8tq, without the limiter removed!!

only difference is he has 2 stage injectors , VNT , and the w115 intake, plus everything else i listed

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

Both on the same engine? I didn't know that was possible.

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1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

Stock is 125, or about 107 at the wheels. no way could you get to 225 with IC, exhaust, pump timing, ALDA removed, and a full load adjustment

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1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine

anything is possible if you have money
as a result the engine didnt last

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

i dont know where you get 225 from....

if FI has 107\195 , im sure with the limiter removed he will have OVER 110hp 225tq

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

Wow, Live and learn! That is amazing.

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" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

Propane is to a diesel much like nitrous is to a gasser? Is that correct?

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OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

Not really, propane is an additional source of fuel, while nitrous is an additional source of oxygen. Some performance diesels use nitrous too.

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1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine

i would think so, it helps burn the diesel

anything over a sniff of propane and the engine may blow

the propane will ignite alot sooner then the diesel and mess everything up

propane and water\meth injection might work well together,

there are no second chances tho, blow it up and its holidays

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

I don't think they mess with 617's much. Most of the cars I have seen have been 603/6's with a 602 thrown in.

With stock IP a 603 is good for about 180hp before maxing out. With larger Myna elements you an crank the power up a lot more.

But this all costs a lot of money and you have to really know what your doing to get it to all work.

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2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

the engine was designed in europe, and its a benz, so its complex,

all we can do is baby steps,

or search for a old german mechanic somewhere that knows something lol

info on this site for the power hungry people

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/

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1985 300D - 599,xxxk - blue interior #265 Monark Nozzle, AL129X, 15" Ronals, Gen II Big Brakes hunting
1985 300D - 491,xxxk - in prog-{A-A IC, 3" exhaust, psi\pyro, 28*BTDC, Hella Euros, IP Limiter removal
1985 300TD - 783,xxxk - parts car,used new engine with ALDA cap inplace
1987 Kenworth T-600 8LL 425 CAT Mech. - 6,000,000+k - DEI exhaust wrap, punched through resonators, 1 recent rebuild,

Complecated compared to what a garden tractor?

Tunning diesels is slightly different than tuning gas engines, and these are different than say a Cummins because they are IDI engines.

But you need to give them lots of cool air and lots of fuel. The stock IP's can only deliver so much fuel, thats the first limit. So you spend $3k and bolt on a Myna IP, now you can deliver more fuel than air, so you need a big Holset turbo and intercooler to keep the EGT's down, of course bolting on a better exhuast in the process.

Than you run into design limitations. Thats why if I was going to go nuts and build one of these I would start with a 606. The 606 has a 4 valve per cylinder head so its going to produce more power.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200