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Can this work as an electrical supercharger?
Somthing like this inline blower:
http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=75432F It is rated for 240 cfm. Can it help for low speed boost and once the turbo starts supplying air it'll cut off?
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No, it won't work at all. CFM is 100% meaningless when it can't make any pressure.
The turbo has over 60HP worth of energy going through the exhaust to make 12psi of boost. Do the math, a 0.01hp electric fan will not do anything but restrict airflow. |
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/What-electric-really-do-a_49072.htm
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/el_blower/index.html http://reviews.ebay.com/Electric-superchargers_W0QQugidZ10000000001006764 Again, with this video they only measure airflow/wind speed, NOT if it can make pressure on the engine. Last edited by ForcedInduction; 09-11-2008 at 06:07 AM. |
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You can either move a lot of air at low pressure OR compress a little bit of air at high pressure relatively cheaply. If you want both, it will cost HP. Just go look at the difference between an air compressor big enough to supply a professional repair shop and one sized for your average home garage.
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Since I have seen no tests performed in the amount of pressure any of these make and no real world unbiased testing on actual installed units on a MB diesel, the jury is out and all views are conjecture as to the results of installing one of them on our engines IMHO. I personally think the effect of the more expensive units may surprise some of the doubters.
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I think that it really takes some horsepower to move the amount of air at the required pressure to make a difference. Since the power needed is so distant from the amount offered by the electric fans, that's why I believe that no one has bothered to even hook one up to test.
Thinking off the top of my head, I believe it would require something on the order of a truck starter motor hooked to a Vortech or Eaton supercharger to actually have an effect. I guess an electric supercharger would solve some packaging problems but at the cost of quite a bit more weight.
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Spend a few hundred dollars on a high power one like "Force Flow" I linked to and you might get 1psi out of it on a 3.0L engine. Thats an extremely poor value that won't even make up for altitude difference in most places. In addition, the unit consumes 60+amps of power which puts a significant load on the engine and nullifies any small advantage that 1psi might have made anyways. An actual electric supercharger is going to look something like this, have about 200lbs of batteries to go with it and not be able to run any longer than 30seconds at a time. Last edited by ForcedInduction; 09-19-2008 at 03:20 PM. |
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that thing sounds like dam.n. coffee grinder. . .
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uh, you can get the mechanical ones for like $60..
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They. Don't. Work. There are people willing, no- dumb enough, to pay $375 for a $25 squirrel cage HVAC/bilge blower on eBay! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MIMO-USA-ULTIMATE-ELECTRIC-TURBOCHARGER-SUPERCHARGER_W0QQitemZ260287846473 |
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Perfect... please post the results of testing on a MB diesel (or something very close to) and we can lay this to rest.
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No need to with some common sense and very basic science. Lacking that, go waste some money on one yourself and tell us how it works out.
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Minor positive pressure can help overcome the bad head flow design. especially on a n/a engine.
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In that case they would be far better off getting a used 300D turbo set for half what one of those scams cost.
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