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Old 03-16-2011, 05:12 PM
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Nor Cal shop to tune ips found!

So i found a shop that has done a MB diesel pump before and quoted me 1k labor to slap in elements and tune the pump on the bench and then have me test it in a car then bring it back for retuning.

Now what to use M or MW ....floyds or hollys?


How do we keep this under 2k guys? These people said they had a guy spend 4K in pump modding for his 300D and they said they gave him TOO much power as his motor lasted only one month then blew!

Now i know as well as you all that the guy prob didnt do anything else to the car and it might have had 350k on it and been on its last leg.

So what do you think?
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:32 PM
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I got gsxr's done for $700 plus soft parts and shipping.

This is for M pumps only!

He had both pumps though. If you have to order the 6mm elements and delivery valves new they are about $700. Be aware though the last time we checked stock on 6mm elements and DV's they were on backorder from Bosch. They would have to manufacture more and I did not get a lead time. If you order the new parts labor goes down to $600 (don't have to disassemble and check).
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:14 PM
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Well, it sounds right of the bat that he may not be THAT knowledgeble to have spent that much AND blown an engine. Obviously I am all about finding a stateside source but maybe we can get more info and/or have him post on the board. The knowledge here will help him get it done properly and without spending that much most likely.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:27 AM
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This guy that supposed had it done didnt know that much just had it done to his dodge truck so had the shop do it to his N/A 617.

I dont know what elements to use ......i have both M and MW pumps laying around in great shape and i have a donor 603 M pump from an 87 300d.


I just want 160-200hp at the rear wheels.

This shop sounds like they can do that as the guy i talked to said they had multiple bosch machine so they can fine tune it. They said they would set it how they think and then have me test in in the car and i can bring it back for more tuning.

I basically want a pump for just under 2k done.

This guys ONLY do diesel injection tuning so i think they are my best bet and 1k for labor is the going rate if not more.

I was going to have the back east do mine but no one has heard from him and i fear turn around would be like a year or more.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:48 AM
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Can I ask a daft question?

(I sure can)

But what on earth are they planning to do to your IP pump - what is actually involved in this tuning process?
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:06 AM
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Can I ask a daft question?

(I sure can)

But what on earth are they planning to do to your IP pump - what is actually involved in this tuning process?

Besides using a flow bench and replacing worn parts i dont know?

I explained the myna pumps and that we should be able to do it here in the states.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:15 AM
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The guy who spent 4k on his pump though wanted the most power he could get. They gave him that and his car blew. Now im just looking to get a taste of that kind of power.........with good idle and mileage. I think 160hp on a healthy 617 turbo motor will be fine in the long run as they actually did over build these motors.

If these people have done as many P7100 pumps for old dodge trucks then our pumps should be a piece of cake.

Thats enough for them to trust they will play with the pump to make it wright.

Also i have enough motors to test with
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What's the name of this shop? For your HP requirement, it's a toss up of which pump to use. But If it was mine, I'd do the MW with the 7mm Holly.

With that said, winmutt may have a line on Chinese 8mm elements for $11.50 each that a few of us are interested in a group buy at SuperTurboDiesel if you want to take a chance on them.


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Old 03-18-2011, 01:48 PM
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What's the name of this shop? For your HP requirement, it's a toss up of which pump to use. But If it was mine, I'd do the MW with the 7mm Holly.

With that said, winmutt may have a line on Chinese 8mm elements for $11.50 each that a few of us are interested in a group buy at SuperTurboDiesel if you want to take a chance on them.


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im game.... what do you think of 603 elements? like whats the size difference?

$1,057.50 for a modded pump doesnt should half bad LOL
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im game.... what do you think of 603 elements? like whats the size difference?

$1,057.50 for a modded pump doesnt should half bad LOL
You'll need to contact winmutt or post over at STD to tell him your in.


603 elements are 5.5mm.





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Hi,

I wonder what that shop did to the pump to kill an engine.
I doubt they used larger than or even the 7mm elements.
Then the result must have been a smoking monster or simply an over rpm tuning.
Unless the customer used a big turbo and killed the engine by stupidly pressing the pedal > red line I can't believe such a pump can develop the hp to blow the engine.

Maxing out a stock pump is one thing but it needs more to get an element modified pump running well.
I tried with 5 pumps in different shops and only one is satisfying me.
From my experience: give the guys a chance to prove their knowledge.
Or invest in sending a pump to Europe and get it done.
I wasted too much time (and money) until I got "my pump" finally.
Time and money that could go into turbo, intercooler ,..

Just my opinion.

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Old 03-22-2011, 02:52 PM
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Hi,

I wonder what that shop did to the pump to kill an engine.
I doubt they used larger than or even the 7mm elements.
Then the result must have been a smoking monster or simply an over rpm tuning.
Unless the customer used a big turbo and killed the engine by stupidly pressing the pedal > red line I can't believe such a pump can develop the hp to blow the engine.

Maxing out a stock pump is one thing but it needs more to get an element modified pump running well.
I tried with 5 pumps in different shops and only one is satisfying me.
From my experience: give the guys a chance to prove their knowledge.
Or invest in sending a pump to Europe and get it done.
I wasted too much time (and money) until I got "my pump" finally.
Time and money that could go into turbo, intercooler ,..

Just my opinion.

Tom
The guy said it was 4 years ago and it was a NA NON turbo 300D. Not sure what size elements were done to it but for 4k they must have done all that could be done. His quote for me was 1k for labor so for another 3k in parts he must have had alot done.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:26 PM
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So talked to the shop in nor cal and he is going to get back to me on which pump he thinks will be the easiest to mod. So far he doesnt like the fact the MW pump has the (rw) governor as he said its hard to fine tune whatever that means.
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