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Old 10-21-2012, 10:36 PM
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74 240d lifted and 4x4

not sure if this is the correct place to post this . but it will be a build thread of my 1974 240D , lifted on a mazda b2600 frame , with the 616 engine and the mazda 5 speed 4x4 tranny .

this was the idea that started my project


here is the car body im using

and here is the "not yet stripped " 4x4 chassis
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:21 AM
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Looks like fun - and those Mazdas seem to be more plentiful than W115s you shouldn't have any trouble with spares. Why are you sticking with the OM616? Those Mazda diesels are favoured by London Taxis - well I think it is those engines...
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:33 AM
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well
A , i dont like gas engines
B , mazda engine has a bent rod .

mazda diesel are kinda scarce here . i think i have only ever seen one forsale .
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81 300D, 79 240D , 2x 76 300D ,74 240D , 2x 89 grand prix , 85 grand fury , and several other fords

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Old 10-22-2012, 12:35 PM
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well
A , i dont like gas engines
B , mazda engine has a bent rod .

mazda diesel are kinda scarce here . i think i have only ever seen one forsale .
Oh sorry I keep on forgetting about the USA not having many diesels - I was thinking it was a Mazda diesel - I don't think many petrol versions were sold in Europe; I reckon they are as rare as rocking horse poop here.

Go for it.

If you need some inspiration - just in case eh? - there are several pretty good threads here on making things fit. Three that come immediately to mind are dropnosky's W115 240D thread

bought a 74 240D this weekend

and mach4's 107 thread

380SL Diesel Conversion Project

and more standard stuff for the W115 from whunter

Welcome to the fleet 1976 W115.114 "300D" dark Green

He's put in loads of part numbers which may or may not be of use

Good luck and keep us posted
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:01 PM
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some pics of the stripped frame




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81 300D, 79 240D , 2x 76 300D ,74 240D , 2x 89 grand prix , 85 grand fury , and several other fords

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Old 10-25-2012, 09:26 PM
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some parts cleaned ...


rebuilding injectors ...
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1983 240D w123 232k 25-30 MPG
1984 Ford f250,1979 ford 150 300-6 (sold@ 251K )
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:32 PM
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looks like you took your engine apart, really wanted to clean it eh?


How do you plan on getting around the engine and transmission fitting together? It does look like a ton of fun. I think I will be in Boise again in late Jan, hopefully you'll have that thing done by then (if youre close to Boise I'd totally like to check it out if I have time)
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:53 PM
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well it had REALLY low compression , like 150 lbs .

its getting new liners and bearings and such .

i am not sure yet ... a adapter plate and possibly the mazda flywheel bolted to the M/B auto flywheel .


Im way north of bosie . close to spokane .
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1983 240D w123 232k 25-30 MPG
1984 Ford f250,1979 ford 150 300-6 (sold@ 251K )
81 300D, 79 240D , 2x 76 300D ,74 240D , 2x 89 grand prix , 85 grand fury , and several other fords

Custom machine shop work ..
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:42 AM
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Shouldn't hurt to throw sodium turbo valves in there along with the usual performance rebuild stuff

You're probably better of fusing the 240 flywheel and making it work with the Mazda transmission. When I tried bolting the two together it didn't seem like the best solution.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:55 AM
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Seeing as the engine is in bits I'd be replacing the bearings on the vacuum pump (assuming you are going to use it).
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:21 AM
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Im cheap . so it will not have anything Too fancy in there ...

I have a machine shop . so the flywheel wont be a problem ... AT worst i will use a M/B 4 speed and a separate transfer case .

i have a extra vac pumps , so im not too worried about accessories , and all it will do is run brakes .

also . I found a guy who has a 240D factory turbo ,,, working on buying it ,
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Ford f350 dully 7.3L 1990 . ats turbo , zf5
Mazda 4x4 b2600 with 617 20-26 mpg
Past fleet
1983 240D w123 232k 25-30 MPG
1984 Ford f250,1979 ford 150 300-6 (sold@ 251K )
81 300D, 79 240D , 2x 76 300D ,74 240D , 2x 89 grand prix , 85 grand fury , and several other fords

Custom machine shop work ..
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:26 PM
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Do you mean an AMG turbo?

Once and for all the answer to the did AMG do diesels for the w123 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes-Benz Discussion Forum
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:27 PM
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perhaps . i havent seen it ,. i was told it was for a 240D and heard that once upon a time they existed .
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Ford f350 dully 7.3L 1990 . ats turbo , zf5
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1983 240D w123 232k 25-30 MPG
1984 Ford f250,1979 ford 150 300-6 (sold@ 251K )
81 300D, 79 240D , 2x 76 300D ,74 240D , 2x 89 grand prix , 85 grand fury , and several other fords

Custom machine shop work ..
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:48 PM
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I would be using some sodium filled valves and turbo pistons and rods if I had the engine that far apart, just in case I decided to add a turbo it would already have beefier insides
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:20 PM
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I thought the turbo valves were larger in diameter than the non turbo OM617 valves (and thus the OM616 ones) - you'd have to cut the seats bigger wouldn't you?
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1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
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