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Old 12-29-2000, 10:57 PM
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Hello! I am new to this forum, but a 20 year gearhead.
First, a little about me. I have owned many BMWs and Porsches over the years, but no MBs until now. I was active in PCA for many years, including being on the board for a few years. I have participated in all of the car club things, autocrosses, time trials, concours, etc.

I worked in a BMW shop during my college summers.

I am a major gearhead! I have pulled the engine and trans out of most of my Porsches, painted one in my garage (good enough that it was featured in a couple books and magazines!), and read tech manuals for fun! I have done all the maintenance on my cars since I was 16 (I am 35). I've never owned a new car, or even a car under warranty, until now.

Picked up my C240 6 speed on the 23d (actually, its for my wife). Brilliant silver, charcoal premium leather, and the C2 pack. It has about 200 miles on it now.

Looked at the BMW 3 series, and it was a close call. The 3 is definately quicker, even in 323/325 form, and the engine is also smoother. Didn't get the 3 because I've had so many BMWs, and wanted a change. Also, I plan on keeping it for a long time (15 years+, as you can see from my other cars, I can do it!), and the MB seemed like a more modern car, with styling that will stay a little fresher a little longer. Also, it seemed to have a little more "substance," it appears a little larger and heavier.

Pros so far: I have gone over every square inch of the paint. I think its the best I've ever seen. Totally even and flawless, with very nice depth (on new BMWs, I have always been able to easily spot little flaws, no big deal, but they are there. I used to judge concours events, so I am used to finding tiny imperfections!). Seems nicer than BMW paint. I really like the outside styling. Everyone that has seen it so far has been blown away. They all have said "I thought I knew what the new C looked like, but I obviously have been looking at the old one!" I think its perfect for my wife, she thinks its really "cute." I must admit it seems a little more like a "girl car," than a guy car to me. I guess it lacks the Teutonic sterness of an old 5 series or 911 that I am used to. Its a kinder, gentler car than I am used to.

I also really like the interior. The styling is just about perfect to me, a nice blend of luxury and sportiness. I really didn't like the instruments at first, but they have really grown on me! I still wish the tach were a little bigger, but that's kinda minor. I also really like the center mounted info screen and the steering wheel buttons. Its really easy to use. For example, programming options like light timing, etc. is very easy. The car has lots of little gizmos, but they are actually well thought out, easy to use, and useful.

It is also very, very quiet on the highway. I don't think I've ever been in a quieter car at 80 mph on the highway.
The steering is perfectly weighted in my opinion, with just the right amount of feel. Very nice.

The heat/AC system took a little to get used to (I've read through the 350 page owners manual several times!), but works very well! In fact, I think the car is very simple to use, the buttons etc. are logically laid out and fairly intuitive.

The shifting is great! I really like the feel of the box. The center armrest is just the right height, so shifting is just a matter of flicking the wrist. The clutch is a little light for my taste, but perfect for my wife (its her car, she'll put 99% of the miles on it). Is a very forgiving system, seems almost "unstallable." After driving Porsches for so long, I call the C a "fake stick shift!" (kidding).
The wheels are very easy to clean, not a fussy design with lots of crevices for brake dust to hide.

Cons: I didn't think I'd like the foot brake, and I don't!! OK for an automatic (where you don't really need to ever use it), a pain to use for the stick! Seems like it could be easy to get in the dangerous habit of just leaving it in first, and forgetting about the foot brake.
You need to call the SOS to get the "1 Malfunction" off the screen. I've tried several times, and each time it says "SOS Call Failed." I've tried calling the 1 800 FOR MERC number, only to be put on hold for so long I had to give up (20 minutes +!). Maybe its just because of the holidays. I guess the lesson is to not have an emergency on a holiday!

Driving cons: First gear seems too low. It "winds out" too fast, for normal driving, it seems like you upshift at 5 mph. Would be good for pulling stumps, though! It seems like instead of adding a really high 6th gear to a 5 speed, they added a really low 1st instead. My wife asked if its ok if she just starts out in second, to make things a little smoother. But, second seems a touch too high for a starting out gear (surprisingly close, though.) I'd like both 1st and 6th to be a little higher, the other gears seem just right.
It for some reason seems a little sluggish off the line. I can seem to really sense the lack of a throttle cable. It also seem to "surge" a little as it works through the revs. Hard to explain in words, but it doesn't have the linear feel or "snap" as the 3 series. That thing just flies to redline like a turbine. But, I am slowly becoming used to it.
20 extra hp and lb/ft of torque would definately be nice, though.
MY BIGGEST SUBSTANTIVE COMPLAINT: It seems VERY hard to get a smooth 1-2 shift. The shift is ok, but within a couple tenths of a second after fully releasing the clutch in second, it seems to "buck," or surge, if you shift anywhere from 3500 to 4500 rpm. Makes it very hard to drive smoothly. If you shift at 2500 rpm, it is fine, but if you do that in So. Cal. traffic, you end up getting dusted by Dodge Neons! Anyone else feel this, or is it just me or my car?!?!

Conclusion: I am actually happier with it than I expected. Its a beautiful car, and it seems very well made. It feels very solid. I have not noticed any flaws, and I have gone over it VERY carefully. If it holds together for 15 years, I'll be very happy!

Look forward to chatting with you all.







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Old 12-29-2000, 11:06 PM
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Brian:

Welcome, and thanks for the info on the new C240. If you haven't had a chance yet, do a search and see Larry Bible's comments on his 6 spd 240. Between the two of you, I am getting a better pic of the car than in Road and Track!
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Welcome to the Forum. As stated in JCE's post above both you and Larry Bible have the same cars and a re ,well lets put is :"wordy" That s good though because we all get a detailed analysis of the car. I Wish You Many Happy Miles
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Old 12-29-2000, 11:51 PM
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You have good taste, brother!!!

911SC is one of my favourite, and one of the most fun to drive 911 IMO(which also includes 911RS, and 993 C2S, TT, NEVER consider a 996 a TRUE 911 anyway.. :p)

Hm...had a E28 before, too....a Euro-Spec M520i...fun car, but under-powered... ;D

Great to have you aboard!!! I am sure you will enjoy it as much as we do!!

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Old 12-30-2000, 12:04 AM
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Thanks, and sorry for the wordiness! My post above is "cut and paste" from some things I had previously written, which is why its so long and disorganized!
I'll look for Larry's posts on the 6-speed!
Larry, what do you think about the 1-2 shift?
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Old 12-30-2000, 03:42 PM
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I don't view the C-class as being a "cute" car and I would have to disagree with Brian K, because I don't think it looks like a girls car at all. When I see the new C, I think of bold German design. Anyway, congratulations on your new purchase.
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Welcome Brian K!
Thanks for sharing your comments about your new Benz.
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Old 12-30-2000, 10:24 PM
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Welcome Brian !! Great to have you aboard.
Any Plans to modify that C ??

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Old 12-31-2000, 12:39 AM
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Thanks!

I must confess that I am not a big modifier!

My 535, for example, is all stock except for a Jim Conforti chip and 16" BBS RS II wheels. My 911 is all stock except for being slightly lowered and with 7 and 8 inch wide 911 Turbo wheels.

For the C, I plan on keeping it mostly stock. When the stock 205/55 16 tires wear out, I plan on replacing them with 225/50 16s (like the Sport pack comes with).

I also considered getting the Brabus springs, but decided against it. The total cost would be $910 installed by Brabus (right down the road from me), which is a bit high. I also am not certain how it would affect ride quality and tire wear. My wife puts most of the miles on the car, and she loves the smooth ride! I've also read about some of the previous C owners complaining about having trouble aligning the car after lowering.

I do think the car looks a lot better sitting a half inch or so lower. I noticed that a lot of cars in MB photos seem to sit lower than the stock production car!

So, other than having the CD player put in next week, I think I am going to sit tight for a while and try to learn more about the car before considering any mods.

(p.s. didn't mean to offend with the "cute" comment, but that was my wife's reaction, and has been the reaction of most of our friends and family!)
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Old 01-02-2001, 06:16 AM
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Brian,

I enjoyed your C240 evaluation very much.

I have had no objection to first gear, the shift, the ratio or anything. It did not catch my attention as too low. Actually it seems to me that the six speed seems to spread the ratios reasonably well, which gives the little engine a little extra perceived power.

The "1 malfunction" problem is a software patch that your dealer can get and download for you. Mine still has this problem. An old and good friend of mine is my tech at the dealership. He called to tell me he now has the patch and will download it whenever I bring the car in.

You are exactly right about the shifter placement. With my arm resting comfortably in a natural position on the armrest, my hand falls exactly over the shifter. Several months back, there were a few MB manual transmission naysayers responding to some posts. I have had a number of MB manual transmission cars and have found them to be 100% reliable and also have satisfactory shifter and clutch feel. These naysayers kept talking about what the magazines said. I think that these people and probably the magazine people as well, have little manual transmission experience. Most people in the US have little manual transmission experience. The only reason I bought a new MB was that after pleading with MBUSA for some years, they finally started importing manuals again. I love the six speed in every way.

I also plan on 225/50's when it comes tire time. When I first considered the car, I assumed that I could get the sport sway bars and shocks later on to upgrade to the sport suspension. As it turns out, the sway bars are the same. I may change the springs later on, and I will certainly replace with performance shocks when the time comes. The handling as it stands now is pretty impressive considering the long suspension travel and soft ride.

Thanks and Happy New Year,
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Old 01-02-2001, 05:31 PM
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congrats and welcome...
you will see that Mercedes is really the way to go if you want to combine both luxury and performance. BMW is not as refined though the performance is outstanding.

take care...

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