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Old 04-07-2014, 01:13 PM
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For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2

For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2 sedan, auto tranny, Yellow/tan, in Louisville Ky. 164k miles, good condition, you might even say great condition, but needs some TLC, which I'm not in a position to give it right now.
So, my "want" got ahead of my "thinkaboutit" and I bought this car from a local CL ad. I wanted my wife to get into using the biodiesel I've been making for 5 or 6 years, but she didn't like my choice in this car, and we got her a 2002 Jetta, with the more modern functionality, but it just doesn't have the class of this little "Baby Benz", and now I need help getting out of the doghouse for buying it any way.
So, about this car;
I was told it was an estate sale. It hadn't been licensed for about 7 years, but had been started and driven around the property periodically, and was garaged the entire time. A guy had owned it, died, left it to his girl friend, who didn't want to drive it, and didn't want to sell it. Then she died, and the relatives sold it. I think I believe that, as it looks very nice, pretty much everything works, or did when I got it last Sep, (2013). The antenna doesn't retract anymore, though the motor still tries to. I've tried lubricating the shaft, no luck yet. Any suggestions? I changed oil and filter soon as I got it, had tranny fluid flushed and changed, put on a new set of tires, old ones Way out of date, and out of round, and have been driving it around, when I don't drive my 85 300TD. I enjoy it, but need to keep the wagon for it's hauling capacity and sell the sedan, even though it gets by far much better mileage. Was rated at 37 city and 44 hiway when new. Doesn't seem to get that now, but with someone getting into it and sorting it out, I think it should get close. It runs fine, no smoke, no leaks, I've been impressed with it, unlike my wagon, which really marks it's territory! The sale of this will help the wagon get some much needed attention, as well as my "garage queen", a beautiful '58 220S Ponton, with the coveted Webasto sunroof. Yes, I'm Webasto Bob, or WBob, on the IPOG list. More of that later, in another thread.
The oil pressure guage comes up to the max as it should, but comes up slowly when first started, even though the engine sounds fine, and doesn't sound like it's starved for oil or anything. I'm thinking the tube is partially closed up from the sitting, slowing the oil pressure getting to the dash guage. Or something along those lines. You can hear the engine getting oil and smoothing out almost immediately when starting, well ahead of the guage indicating full pressure.
It looks great, paint is good, the jack points look very solid and still have their plugs. See pics, sorry for poor cell phone quality. The good camera just died. Had it in my back pocket while visiting Grandkids. Don't know what could have happened to it!
The interior is in great shape, one minor break in the usual location of driver's seat bolster, no cracks in dash. Rest of interior looks very good. There is a mildew smell inside the car, not real strong, but was the deal breaker for my wife.
I've pulled mats out, they look ok, don't seem to smell themselves, but my nose is old. What can I say?
The heater fan has intermittent squeak, but works. AC doesn't work. Don McCoy of Autobahn Motors said new compressor.
Radio is a replacement, speakers don't sound too good.
Everything else inside works as it should. Sunroof works, haven't found any leaks from it, or any where else. Can't explain the smell, other than years of garage, no regular driving. I don't know.
Trans shifts slow, but doesn't appear to slip. Haven't made adjustments to mod valve yet. The car still has all the under pans in place, so I can't just scoot under there like I did with the wagon.
The hood pad is deteriorated, but still in place. The CL seller put in a small, but new battery, and I haven't changed it out for the correct one yet. Had planned to, but got too much grief from the wifey to put any more money in it, so I'm listing it here first, before going to CL myself, or Ebay, in hopes someone here can do the right thing for this sweet little car. I've attached all the pics I can to this message, so I'll post it, and get some more up on follow up messages. Hoping to find some interest in this car, and to send it on to a good home. Ask any questions, and forgive my rambling message. I'd really rather keep it and get it done right, but I already have two project cars, and a project house, and a project yard, and ...... yadda, yadda, etc....
I'm sure many of you know the feeling!
Thanks for "listening"!
Forgot to put in my asking price, $4400.00, which will just cover my purchase price and what I've done for it. I'll of course be asking more if I go to "the other" listing places.


Last edited by BobBushLouKy; 04-07-2014 at 01:55 PM. Reason: forgot price
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:19 PM
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pics?

Well, I thought I added pics, but i don't see them.
Trying again.
Maybe because I still had Iphoto open. Closed it, and trying again.
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For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1537.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1544.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1540.jpg  
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Old 04-07-2014, 01:23 PM
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more pics

Ok, that must have been it.
Here's some more fuzzy cell phone pics;
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For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1538.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1539.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1541.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1542.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1543.jpg  

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Old 04-07-2014, 01:36 PM
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and more pics

Sorry again for these fuzzy photos, but it's all I got now. Will try to get better photos on here soon.
The last two show the only paint problems I've found.
Number 4 is a "pimple" on the hood right above the battery. Did somebody forget a tool and shut the hood? That reminds me, the hood cylinder won't hold the hood up, but I just push it on up to that fantastic straight up position. How I wish the Ponton did that! It's a real back biter!
Number 5 is a door ding on the right rear door. Parking lot, I assume.
Both of these pre-exist my ownership.
This is all the photos I have now, and we're in the middle of a big rain event, but should be clear in the next couple days, and I can get more, hopefully better, pics up soon!
Bob
For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1545.jpg

For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1547.jpg

For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1548.jpg

For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1549.jpg

For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1546.jpg
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Old 04-12-2014, 11:02 AM
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Sorry again for these fuzzy photos, but it's all I got now. Will try to get better photos on here soon.
The last two show the only paint problems I've found.
Number 4 is a "pimple" on the hood right above the battery. Did somebody forget a tool and shut the hood? That reminds me, the hood cylinder won't hold the hood up, but I just push it on up to that fantastic straight up position. How I wish the Ponton did that! It's a real back biter!
Number 5 is a door ding on the right rear door. Parking lot, I assume.
Both of these pre-exist my ownership.
This is all the photos I have now, and we're in the middle of a big rain event, but should be clear in the next couple days, and I can get more, hopefully better, pics up soon!
Bob
Attachment 120590

Attachment 120592

Attachment 120593

Attachment 120594

Attachment 120591
I'm buying this car, already talked to Bob, after he finishes repairs.
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:52 PM
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I'm buying this car, already talked to Bob, after he finishes repairs.
Great!

I'm curious to see what kind of fuel economy this car gets once you get it sorted out.

Do you think it'll actually get anything close to 44 mpg on the highway?
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:37 PM
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44 mpg? and more photos

Actually, I think it could! I think the nozzles need to be either cleaned or replaced. But that's just my guess. Nozzles are kinda on my mind now, since I want to do it on my wagon to try to improve the fuel economy. About a year ago, I sold a 123 wagon I'd been driving for almost 5 years, mostly on homebrew biodiesel, and it got as good, or better, mileage as it was rated for when new, and it was pushing 500K. Odo didn't work, but i did a job for a week where I could track the miles pretty accurately with google maps, came up at 26.9 mpg, it was rated for 26 when new. (84 300TD) The new owner still calls me and is very happy with it, rust and all. That's why I sold it. I would have been happy to keep driving it, but my wife had a different opinion. So I found an '85 123 wagon with a cleaner body, and am working on getting it right, and mostly the reason I'm selling this little sedan. I took the Darth Vador-like Otter Box case off my Iphone3 and got some better quality photos which I'm adding here;
I think this car has great potential, but does need the TLC, like the hood pad replaced, missing 3 out of 4 lift pads, could possibly use an adjustment of the vacuum shift modulator valve, but the under pans are in place so I can't just slip under and tweak it like I did on the wagon. It shifts a little soft, but when you use the shifter it goes into the gears quick as it should. And of course, the adjustments are there so different drivers can get the shift style they want, so I will let the new owner make that choice.
I've done the necessary things to get it road worthy after it's history,
Changed oil and filters immediately when I got it,
Air filter changed,
had trans fluid changed via a machine that gets the torque conv. too,
New tires -(old ones out of date & round),
New belt tensioner and shock, and serpentine belt,
front wheel bearings checked and adjusted,
Center link and left tie rods replaced,
Both shifter linkages replaced, real PIA job, for those who know,

The AC does not work, estimates are $1009.75, and $454.90 (you don't need to replace all that!) Biggest difference was used vs new compressor, ($680.75 vs $175.00) and first one would replace the receiver Drier at $140
So I'll leave that choice to the new owner as well. I'm sure whatever choice I'd make, the new owner might have preferred the other! The way life usually works!
Thanks Darryl, for stepping up to be the new owner! I told you on the phone I thought it might need the master cylinder replaced, but it's passing all the tests. It holds foot pressure, with engine on or off, and fluid level is staying where it should. I had found it down on fluid once, and couldn't find any streaks on the tires, so assumed it was the master cylinder. That was Nov. or Dec. and it hasn't been low since, so I don't know what happened, other than the car is getting used to being driven again.
Oh yeah, the heater fan has developed an intermittent squeak, and the antenna stopped retracting, though the motor still tries.
But the cruise control works! That's hot! It worked on my old 84 wagon too, but not on this 85. Dang!
That's all I can think of for now, except with a good wash and wax, or a detailing, i think it would look really nice.
And of course, I have records of what I've done for it, but nothing from previous owners. They did give me 3 service manuals that will go with the car; engine 601, Chassis and body model 201, tempmatic climate control model 201, and a model specific Performance products catalog, spring/summer 2001, neat to look through, good systems diagrams, part no.s, etc...

Bob
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For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1561.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1558.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1559.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1563.jpg   For Sale; 1984 190D 2.2-img_1557.jpg  

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Old 04-13-2014, 05:56 PM
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44mpg?

I have never ever got more than 35mpg on my 190D 5sp. Fun car to drive with 5sp. Auto, I am not sure.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:12 PM
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44 mpg?

Does your 190D have the 2.2 four cyl. engine, or the 2.5 five cyl. engine?
I remember the 2.2 190D 5 spd was listed as getting 52 mpg hwy when new, don't remember the city rate. This is from the same reference that gave the rates I cited before. Don't remember the publication, but it was in a MB shop specializing in older MB's.
There is a guy here with a gray market 86 190D 5 cyl with 5 spd manual tranny, he put in a different rear end with higher gears, and claims to have gotten into 50 mpg as his best to date, gets regularly in the mid to high 40's. Unfortunately the body is quite rusty. Maybe it's significantly lighter because of it!
Bob
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:34 PM
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Gas Mileage of 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190

official mpg is 35mpg.
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W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

1 X 2006 CDI
1 x 87 300SDL
1 x 87 300D
1 x 87 300TDT wagon
1 x 83 300D
1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:38 AM
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My 190 4spd euro model runs 42-45mpg. I don't know the difference in gearing compared to US models, but the only time I ever saw 35 MPG was in bumper to bumper city traffic with the ac on every day for a week.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:51 AM
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Looks very nice from the fuzzy pics.
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:41 AM
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Actually, I think it could! I think the nozzles need to be either cleaned or replaced. But that's just my guess. Nozzles are kinda on my mind now, since I want to do it on my wagon to try to improve the fuel economy. About a year ago, I sold a 123 wagon I'd been driving for almost 5 years, mostly on homebrew biodiesel, and it got as good, or better, mileage as it was rated for when new, and it was pushing 500K. Odo didn't work, but i did a job for a week where I could track the miles pretty accurately with google maps, came up at 26.9 mpg, it was rated for 26 when new. (84 300TD) The new owner still calls me and is very happy with it, rust and all. That's why I sold it. I would have been happy to keep driving it, but my wife had a different opinion. So I found an '85 123 wagon with a cleaner body, and am working on getting it right, and mostly the reason I'm selling this little sedan. I took the Darth Vador-like Otter Box case off my Iphone3 and got some better quality photos which I'm adding here;
I think this car has great potential, but does need the TLC, like the hood pad replaced, missing 3 out of 4 lift pads, could possibly use an adjustment of the vacuum shift modulator valve, but the under pans are in place so I can't just slip under and tweak it like I did on the wagon. It shifts a little soft, but when you use the shifter it goes into the gears quick as it should. And of course, the adjustments are there so different drivers can get the shift style they want, so I will let the new owner make that choice.
I've done the necessary things to get it road worthy after it's history,
Changed oil and filters immediately when I got it,
Air filter changed,
had trans fluid changed via a machine that gets the torque conv. too,
New tires -(old ones out of date & round),
New belt tensioner and shock, and serpentine belt,
front wheel bearings checked and adjusted,
Center link and left tie rods replaced,
Both shifter linkages replaced, real PIA job, for those who know,

The AC does not work, estimates are $1009.75, and $454.90 (you don't need to replace all that!) Biggest difference was used vs new compressor, ($680.75 vs $175.00) and first one would replace the receiver Drier at $140
So I'll leave that choice to the new owner as well. I'm sure whatever choice I'd make, the new owner might have preferred the other! The way life usually works!
Thanks Darryl, for stepping up to be the new owner! I told you on the phone I thought it might need the master cylinder replaced, but it's passing all the tests. It holds foot pressure, with engine on or off, and fluid level is staying where it should. I had found it down on fluid once, and couldn't find any streaks on the tires, so assumed it was the master cylinder. That was Nov. or Dec. and it hasn't been low since, so I don't know what happened, other than the car is getting used to being driven again.
Oh yeah, the heater fan has developed an intermittent squeak, and the antenna stopped retracting, though the motor still tries.
But the cruise control works! That's hot! It worked on my old 84 wagon too, but not on this 85. Dang!
That's all I can think of for now, except with a good wash and wax, or a detailing, i think it would look really nice.
And of course, I have records of what I've done for it, but nothing from previous owners. They did give me 3 service manuals that will go with the car; engine 601, Chassis and body model 201, tempmatic climate control model 201, and a model specific Performance products catalog, spring/summer 2001, neat to look through, good systems diagrams, part no.s, etc...

Bob

Please PM me when you are ready to do the deal. or Call me at home but leave your number in the PM.

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1951 Citroen 11BN
1953 Citroen 11BNF limo
1953 220a project
1959 180D
1960 190D
1960 Borgward Isabella TS 2dr
1983 240D daily driver
1983 380SL
1990 350SDL daily driver alt
3 x Citroen DS21M, down from 5
3 x Citroen 2CV, down from 6
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