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Old 09-01-2017, 05:49 PM
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Mercedes Benz Fintail Universal 200d from 1966

Hi everyone!

This is fintail universal from 1966, Portuguese plates. Current is for sale, and is one of five current in existence in this country.

Very good condition.



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Old 09-01-2017, 09:44 PM
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Mileage? Location? .......and most importantly.....Price?
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:32 AM
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Running the J. F. Valada name in the background ( 1946 ) brings up a restaurant in Portugal. Coupled with the euro plates on the Audi and unknown SUV in the background , seller saying car has Portugal plates tells me it 'aint from round here.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:10 PM
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Mileage? Location? .......and most importantly.....Price?
Car is in Portugal near Lisbon.

Milage is about 12000km.

Asking price 47500 euros.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:18 PM
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Running the J. F. Valada name in the background ( 1946 ) brings up a restaurant in Portugal. Coupled with the euro plates on the Audi and unknown SUV in the background , seller saying car has Portugal plates tells me it 'aint from round here.
Audi in background was PORTUGUESE plates.
My fintail is PORTUGUESE plates.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:53 PM
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Asking price 47500 euros.
Is this a typo?

You want over $56,000 USD for this car?
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:24 AM
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Is this a typo?

You want over $56,000 USD for this car?
Exactly.
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:06 AM
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Fifty Six Thousand US dollars ( $ 56,000 ) for an uncommon but not "rare" car ( 75,000 were built over the years ) with a dented left rear door is well beyond the realm of " Oh, that is a little expensive " and more in the " Send me a $ 10,000 deposit so I can pay customs and port fees then we will work out final payment. " ( Nigerian internet scam. )

In the link below, others have commented that there may have been more than one company that did conversions and listed Portugal specifically. Even if this was a local low production conversion, it does not warrant high money as it isn't significantly different than the MB contracted Belgian IMA conversion.

From a recent web posting

Carshow Capsule: 1966 Mercedes-Benz 230 Universal – Is This The First Mercedes Estate?

The estate car, known as the Universal or Kombi, was converted by the Belgian company IMA (Société Anonyme pour l’Importation de Moteurs et d’Automobiles, the Company for Importing Engines and Automobiles), who were an established assembler of Mercedes saloons for the European market. As the European Common Market (now European Union) grew and tariffs came down, such assembly became an unnecessary complication for Daimler-Benz.

IMA built a significant number of cars for Mercedes-Benz, assembling over 75000 cars in the 1960s, including long wheelbase limousine, ambulance and hearse conversions.
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Exactly.
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Fifty Six Thousand US dollars ( $ 56,000 ) for an uncommon but not "rare" car ( 75,000 were built over the years ) with a dented left rear door is well beyond the realm of " Oh, that is a little expensive " and more in the " Send me a $ 10,000 deposit so I can pay customs and port fees then we will work out final payment. " ( Nigerian internet scam. )

In the link below, others have commented that there may have been more than one company that did conversions and listed Portugal specifically. Even if this was a local low production conversion, it does not warrant high money as it isn't significantly different than the MB contracted Belgian IMA conversion.

From a recent web posting

Carshow Capsule: 1966 Mercedes-Benz 230 Universal – Is This The First Mercedes Estate?

The estate car, known as the Universal or Kombi, was converted by the Belgian company IMA (Société Anonyme pour l’Importation de Moteurs et d’Automobiles, the Company for Importing Engines and Automobiles), who were an established assembler of Mercedes saloons for the European market. As the European Common Market (now European Union) grew and tariffs came down, such assembly became an unnecessary complication for Daimler-Benz.

IMA built a significant number of cars for Mercedes-Benz, assembling over 75000 cars in the 1960s, including long wheelbase limousine, ambulance and hearse conversions.
Your knowledge about Universal is not far away from ZERO.

Mercedes Benz Fintal Universal was produced from 1965 to 1968 from I.M.A (Belgium) and from all this years, only 2754 ever made. From Portugal, only 5 of this where know. From 2754 ever made, only a few ever survived to this days.
Fintal Universal ORIGINAL, like my, only was converted to Kombi by IMA, and BINZ to funeral or ambulance. Numbers unknow.
What you call Portuguese convertions, was from w115, by Movauto. Not fintal models.

The Mercedes Universal Wagon and other Classic Mercedes Benz Station Wagons of the 1960s – Classic Mercedes Benz values, market trends, and sales info
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:49 PM
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I guess europeans have more DISPOSABLE income than we do.
Wrong place for this rig
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:47 PM
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Car is probably worth it.

However, this isn't a Portuguese forum, so its obscurity is going to be lost on 99.999% of members. Also, a quick glance at all the $1,500 cars in this subsection that aren't selling would make me think twice about setting up an account just to try to move a $56,000 car.

Neat car, hope you hit a home run with it. But if it sells on this forum everyone's drinks at JF Valada are on me.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:52 PM
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Your knowledge about Universal is not far away from ZERO.
And I will gently say that your knowledge of how to write an internationally posted classified ad for a low production car is actually zero. But you do get lots of points for tending to the ad you posted. There are ads posted here from time to time that are new member dumps. ( One posting and never to be heard from again. )

The 75,000 production is the only one I found from a Google search so I'd accept it could be wrong. Everything I posted below the link was a copy paste. With a bit more searching I have not been able to come up with another post listing production numbers.

Given these cars are not common, you need to play to an audience that does not know about these cars otherwise the number of people that do know about these cars will be very scarce.

Your ad will gain much more credibility if you list:

What country the car is in addition to " one of five current in existence in this country. " A car could be plated in one country and physically located in another. Not posting location is a common omission so don't feel singed out.

Price in the ad helps.

Listing specific info pertaining condition is a must. ( Recent repairs / items worn or needing attention. ) Very good condition is somewhat vague.

Links to production numbers, brief synopses of what these cars are. What you posted below would have been very helpful in the original ad this would have prevented others ( including my self ) from posting
" is this a real ad? " .

You have no way of knowing but this list was started decades ago to service diesel MB drivers ( cheap ) and is highly populated by those that feel even $ 5,600 US is a lot of money, or $ 560 .

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Mercedes Benz Fintal Universal was produced from 1965 to 1968 from I.M.A (Belgium) and from all this years, only 2754 ever made. From Portugal, only 5 of this where know. From 2754 ever made, only a few ever survived to this days.
Fintal Universal ORIGINAL, like my, only was converted to Kombi by IMA, and BINZ to funeral or ambulance. Numbers unknow.
What you call Portuguese convertions, was from w115, by Movauto. Not fintal models.

The Mercedes Universal Wagon and other Classic Mercedes Benz Station Wagons of the 1960s – Classic Mercedes Benz values, market trends, and sales info
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I have a question about the picture. On the person behind the wagon, are those handcuffs?

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