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Old 08-13-2004, 01:11 PM
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Whats a genuine AMG Hammer worth?

I wonder if anybody can help me......I've been searching the net trying to find data on selling prices for AMG Hammers and have found nothing. I imagine that this may be down to their rarity.

Has anybody got any data or views on values?

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Old 08-13-2004, 04:11 PM
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I think it will depend HUGELY on condition. Low miles, near mint, mostly stored, it will probably cost a fortune. One that's been driven daily probably isn't worth a whole lot unless it was maintained immaculately. I'm curious what you find. Search for "omegabenz", he bought one a couple years ago.
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Old 08-16-2004, 03:26 AM
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I am by no means the authority of value on these great cars, but have seen them as low as $15k for a model claimed to be authentic that needed motor work in a Tampa newspaper classifieds, to about $40k asking price for a superb model listed by Kruze auctions. I have only seen a handful though, I think another nice model for about $30k but it was in another far-away country (yes, $30k in USD).

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Old 08-16-2004, 07:04 AM
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So it appears that maybe the prices are similar to real good/concurs 500's?.

You would have thought that a genuine Hammer would make more due to their rarity and the fact that they are not speed limited + cost considerably more than a E500 when new.....or is it the fact that they are so rare+almost 20 years old that people have forgotten about them, ie they have become a victim of their own rarity
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:47 AM
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I think the biggest problem with the AMG Hammers is the fact that parts are no longer available from AMG (or anywhere) to support them. Anything modified by AMG will need to be custom fabricated if failure should occur. Most MB mechanics would take extra time to figure out the changes and then actually repair them. This can be extremely costly and very frustrating if you don't know the right people. I also wouldn't consider this car a daily driver, from what I've heard it's very temperamental. Remember that AMG was not a part of Mercedes at this point in time, they were strictly an aftermarket tuner like Roush or Saleen is for the Mustang. 500E's are factory tuned/supported and they offer 90% of the speed/power of the Hammers and better agility from what I hear. However, if you have the means and the patience the Hammer is a very unique, beautiful and fun car.
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:20 PM
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I'm interested in your comments re parts for the Hammer and this is were I have to have to spill the beans, ie; here comes the truth!

I own a genuine Hammer.....the only one in the UK by all accounts and I'm maybe interested in selling my car, hence the question about prices.

By way of interest, you can still get all of the service parts you need for the car, ie head gaskets etc by ordering them through your local Merc dealer......I originally thought I was doomed to never being able to find new Head Gaskets and spent months trying to find somebody at AMG to help me out.

Finally I managed to get somebody to respond and was given all of the part numbers I needed and was told to order then through my local Benz dealer!!!!

Much to my surprise they ordered them and they arrived a week later!

I agree that they are a pretty sophisticated pieces of equipment to keep tuned, however, here in the UK I'm lucky that my local independent has the experience to keep the car running well.

Thanks for you input.

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Old 08-16-2004, 12:27 PM
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Loaded Question........

Well why do you want to sell it?

Many of the comments I've made are based upon hearing current owners complaints on the car. Keep in mind I've also heard that the car is an absolute blast to drive and worth the difficulties!
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:39 PM
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Business commitments........I'm so busy that I don't have time to finish off some of the jobs on the car and its just sitting in the garage gathering dust.

Its only got 45,000 miles from new, full Benz service history and unmarked bodywork

A real dilemma I can tell you
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Old 08-17-2004, 04:37 PM
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Is it a 6.0 DOHC Hammer or a DOHC (32v) motor in general? Can you please email me or post a list of the parts you ordered from your dealer with part numbers and prices? I, as well as a few other Hammer/DOHC engine owners need this info badly!! Any help would be appreciated. You can email me offline if you want. Thanks soooo much!!
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Old 08-17-2004, 04:42 PM
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I'm assuming you guys have access to a Euro EPC, which would probably be a big help - no?

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Euro EPC? Nope....
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Send me the Hammer's VIN, and I'll see if I can locate any head gasket, etc, part numbers that make sense...

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Old 08-19-2004, 03:50 AM
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Here is a link to an authentic 1991 Hammer for sale at $15k USD (but it appears to have a 3.4L instead of the beastly 6.0L engine)...
http://www.mbspares.com.au/www/amg-300CE.html

But then here is 1985 authentic AMG for $29,900 USD (seems to be in stunning condition)...
http://www.dupontregistry.com/search/srDetails.asp?itemid=153142&sessionkey=

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Old 08-19-2004, 04:50 AM
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What are those AMG wheels in the last link called (their name, for instance: "Monoblock II" or something) and where can I get them?
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Old 08-19-2004, 07:30 AM
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Thanks for the links DTM...interesting....the first car does look like a genuine AMG conversion but its not a Hammer, wrong engine and a lot of the other stuff fitted will be wrong due to the engine being an M104...suspension is likely to be standard w124 with AMG shocks, swaybars etc. Back in the days before AMG was owned by Mercedes you could pretty much get anything you wanted built by AMG and it looks as if the original owner of this W124 Coupe wanted something a little different from a normal 320 Coupe, but did not want to incur the expense of a complete Hammer conversion.....this car looks very much like the slightly later and AMG produced E36 which was sold in Europe as a Coupe, Sedan, Wagon and Cabriolet and were fitted with a bored out 3.6 litre version of the M104 3.2 engine....nice cars by the way!

Re the 500SEC, this is a classic case of somebody trying to sell a car and using the Hammer name.........the Hammer name was only ever given to the W124's. From what I can gather the The SEC and SEL's were converted by AMG in greater numbers than the W124 Hammers and in the main they used very similar mechanicals to that used in the Hammers which were produced later......the SEC in the picture is likely to have the proper quad cam 5.0 AMG V8, which was fitted to the earliest European W124 Hammers....5.6's and 6.0's came later.

I have recently seen a quad cam 5.0 V8 SEL with full AMG bodywork come up for sale in the UK. I spoke to the owner and it turns out that there were 7 SEL's converted to this spec in the UK alone and maybe more SEC's...although they used similar mechanicals, they never had the same performance as the Hammers, due to heavier weight and poorer aerodynamics

From what we can gather here in the UK, there is only one right hand drive W124 Hammer over here, and that there are only 13 known Hammer Coupes made worldwide and less sedan's.....the reason being that if somebody was going to spend all of the that money buying a Hammer, they would spend it on a Coupe rather than a sedan. Nobody seems to know the true number of Hammers produced, but its thought to be around the 25 mark

Thanks for the links, it all makes interesting reading and if anybody else has more information, please get it posted!!!

Many thanks

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