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Subman 05-22-2000 08:44 PM

Is it possible to just drop a 16V head on a regular 2.3 motor block? I got a berkkers catalog and by reading the articles I get the picture that you can just put the head on a 1988 (or higher)block. Is this possible?
Any help would be appriciated.

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-1999 ML320
-1995 E320
-1994 E420 (lowered 1.5 in useing Eibach)
-1980 300D
-Had 1985 300TD Wagon (for over 10 yrs)
-Had 1993 190E 2.3

Alain V. 05-22-2000 11:03 PM

You would have to change the pistons also, since the 16-valve piston has four valve reliefs in each one.

It would probably be easier to find a complete 16 v engine than just the head & other parts to do a conversion. If I remember right, the crankshaft, & rods were "beefier" too.

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surfnvet 05-22-2000 11:49 PM

answer is yes and no. The block takes the head and the block dimensions are the same...however.the 2.3-16 valve has a single timing chain....the 2.3-16 has a wide bearing set, 2.3 has a narrow set. But the block is essentially the same. 2.3-16 pistons are full floating 2.3 are pressed

Brian16V 05-23-2000 12:21 PM

Bekkers lists their 225hp and 235hp stroker blocks as "narrow" bearing blocks. Anyone know why they don't use the standard 16V "wide" bearing blocks? Seams "wider-is-better" (or in Hawaiian, "e'ahou a'ula").

Brian

Subman 05-23-2000 05:36 PM

Thanks for the replies. This is the idea I had i was going to find a 1988 or newer 190 2.3 that has a blown motor (not to much
damage) for cheap. Then I was going to get the 2.6 16V conversion for the block and find a 16V head, drop it on and I am
done (well not quite that simple)
Does this seam possible?
Another idea I had was to get a 16V with a rough motor and do the rebuild. I am planing on doing this to the car if I can find a
good starting point.
Does anyone know where to find a head, or even a whole motor for that, and how much it would cost.
Thanks for any help.



surfnvet 05-27-2000 10:33 PM

of course its possible. anything is...but you will need a plenum and fuel rail... so many misc. [parts]. as a racer practical as a street car..... a royal pain even the AC is different. unless you find a wreck with computer wiring harness and all the other bs... it will be a true project. you are better off finding a late model wreck and putting the 3.2 or 4.3 engine into your car. The cosworth head rocked in 88 but I am not sure its worth that trouble.

mbdoc 05-28-2000 08:41 AM

The rods & 2 of the timing gears are the only shared parts between the 2 engines! The water jackets are completly different, but modifing a 8 valve block might be possible for good machine shop. The late 8V engines used a double row timing chain & only the euro cars With 2.5/16V had this chain. Find complete car if you want to run 16V engine. Too many other parts are different!

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Benzmac 05-28-2000 09:41 PM

I agree with DOC. The 16v has oil cooled/sprayed pistons and the 8v does not. If you add up all of the things that are different, I'd say don't do it.

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