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Old 04-02-2002, 08:59 AM
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92 and 93 versus 94 Cosmetics

I prefer the 94. I feel it is a much more "current" profile and of course there are fewer of the 94's. If one can find a 94 with the factory monotone lowers (know where an 040 is for sale) I think this is even more complete IMHO.
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Old 04-02-2002, 11:35 AM
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500E vs E500

I struggled with this quite a bit before buying my E500. Personally, I think the early cars look a little more aggressive. Plus, they have extra horsepower/torque. Also, I like the black impact strips. (note: I only considered '92 or '94 models, no '93s)

The newer cars are more subtle but I ended up choosing one because I decided it would be cheaper/easier than upgrading an early car with the other minor upgrades that the later cars received. Specifically, the stereo, power driver-side rearview mirror, bigger brakes, and headlights.

So, in the end, I gave up a few HP for better brakes and lights
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Old 04-02-2002, 11:46 AM
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I agree and see the 93 as the least desirable. You get neither the HP of the 92 nor the Updates of the 94. The market seems to realize this and the 93's trade at a significant discount to 94's and are priced equal to lower to 92's.

Hatch will be the barometer of a 93's true value with the 10,000 mile Silver Black they have for $47,500.
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Old 04-02-2002, 11:51 AM
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Smile 500E

I was referred to the forum and am very glad to find you. I am novice at posting. I have a Silver 1992 500E purchased several months ago with 34700 miles. It now has 39300. I love the car.

I have a stutter in the brakes. A kind person has said he had a similar problem and it was related to the car sitting, a 'flat spot', probably from being parked for the winter!

I think the rotors just need to be cut (smooth). Does anyone else have similar experience? Should I go to a different place on this board to ask this question.

Thanks.

Joe Whisnant

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Old 04-02-2002, 12:01 PM
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Welcome to MercedesShop, Joe!

I doubt the stutter in your brakes is due to tire flatspotting from the car sitting. That type of flat spot will generally go away once the tires warm up from driving. Since you have a '92, you may still be running the original alloy Brembo calipers, if so, that is probably the problem. I'm not sure if they are still doing it, but Mercedes used to replace the early calipers with late style SL600 calipers and rotors so you may want to check with your dealer.

Oh, and don't have your current rotors turned. If it turns out that the stuttering is simply warped rotors, then just replace them with new ones.
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Old 04-02-2002, 12:01 PM
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Joe,

Congrats on the 500! As to the brakes, have you had the opportunity to run the car hard since you took it out for the season, to include some aggressive stopping?? If so, and the brakes continue to grab or stutter, I think I'd be inclined to put on new rotors-they are pretty cheap on your car.

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Old 04-02-2002, 02:57 PM
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Glen,

Any noisy alloy calipers here in the USA were replaced, if under warranty, with steel 500SL calipers. This setup retained the original, non-directional 300mm rotors. This is what was done on my car.

I know of only 1 person in the US that got Mercedes to spring for 600SL binders, and that was when his '92 was new. That individual spent a good amount of time on the track, and complained of brake fade.

In Europe, as I further understand, the standard warranty repair was indeed 600SL calipers & rotors, but that's likely because Europeans actually drive their 500Es, and repeated high-speed use will provoke fade.

Joe,

If you're interested, my 500SL calipers are for sale...I recently sprang for the 600SL binders, but that's because I track the car.
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Old 04-02-2002, 04:20 PM
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Michael:
Thanks for the clarification on which calipers Mercedes replaced the Brembos with. I was also thinking that it's possible his were never replaced since his car has so few miles and I think they only replaced them if owners complained of noise.

Case in point, I recently bought a set of original 500E Brembo alloy calipers to upgrade my 16V. The seller worked for a dealer and claimed they were replaced very recently.
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Thumbs up Roll Call 500E

My 500E is 1992 Silver/Gray. Milage is 39000. The car has no modifications and is original factory car. It is the best car Mercedes has made in the last 20 years. ( a quote I read and with which I agree 100%) The quality and craftsmanship in this car exceeds any I have found in the newer Mercedes products. I have driven nothing that compares. I am very glad to find a group of owners who appreciate this machine as much as I do.

Mercedes 500E 1992 Silver/Grey
Mercedes ML 320 1998 Black/Grey
Mazda Miata 1990 Red/Black
Acura Legend 1992 Rosewood/Beige
Acura Ledend 1992 Bronze/Tan
Honda Accord 1995 Green/Tan
Acura TL 2001 Silver/Green

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Old 04-02-2002, 06:37 PM
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Hi guys and welcome newbie 500e/e500 owners!

...that's an interesting point generally re: the '93's (less hp & no '94 upgrades)...

when W124 was a twinke in my eye & without knowing any technical differences between the 500e/e500's I was drawn to the last iteration...primarily due to the smaller grill and euro-look flat face glass headlight units (as a non-owner, I didn't even notice the trunk/ bumper/signal lamp/ tai light differences)

when I picked up the '94 E500- - I was pleased to hear the it received a bunch of technical E500 upgrades and audio upgrade as icing on the cake to the aesthetic upgrades...I was already spoiled with the OEM audio system set up in my '94 E320 Coupe.

in my mind, the hp differences between the '92 and '94 500e500 were quite minor ...I further rationalized that if I couldn't utilize the 315hp bestowed in the '94- - I better work on improving my skills!

re: wife driving the MB's
She's driven the E320 Coupe once (w/ me shotgun) and the E500 once (alone to MB service and back)- -although she liked them both very very much we have an understanding that hers are the BMW and Celica (...& I'm thanking my lucky stars she's not really an MB/'car' enthusiast type person).

great discussion
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Old 04-04-2002, 09:37 PM
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Ok, here's my first attempt at posting a photo. Hope it comes out. Took it a few weeks ago during a warm weekend, first time the car was out all winter. With spring here, I'll be racking up some miles now!

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Old 04-15-2002, 06:04 PM
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Michael-

What's our 500e/e500 ownership color & count roll call nowadays?

...seems like we have had quite a few new owners join us recently.


-fad

PS- if any one is interested in viewing pics of my E500, Mark Stetson's 500e, Neil's 500e & 360TE AMG wagon, and Dcraig's E420, & Art's Diesel that were taken and CEC's Eurotuner Fest Car Show 11/2001, go to: >streetracing.org- EuroTuner Fest- Willow Springs- Car Gallery- Page 7

pic #:
04534=Neil's AMG wagon, (ULTIMATE MB TUNER- 1ST PLACE)
04535= Neil's 500e
04537= Mark's 500e, (ULTIMATE MB TUNER- 2ND PLACE)
04538= -fad's e500, (ULTIMATE MB TUNER- 3RD PLACE)
04539= DCraig's E420
04540= Art's Diesel

From memory, I believe there are more pics of Guido's 500e, etc. at eurotunerfest.com

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Old 04-16-2002, 04:57 PM
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Joe,

I too have a 92 model and have experienced brake shutter. Guido advised in a seperate posting that the '92 Brembos were sensitive to vibration. As mine were due for pads & rotors anyway, I opted for powerdisc rotors and had them cryogenically treated plus went to EBC Red pads all at Guido's guidance. I love the new brakes, but Guido was right, the Brembo Calipers do sometimes vibrate/shutter especially when they get warm. Something about the Caliper is less resistent to distortion than the later upgrades. But the Brembo's look SOOOO GOOOD!!!.

Even at their worst, the brakes are still incredible even coming down from warp speeds. I will defer to the pros (Donnie, Guido, Michael, etc.) but I think most everyone will tell you the cure is likely upgrade to 94's (500SL) or If you feel up to it 600SLs.

Nice to have another Carolinian around. Are you a native of Rocky Mount. I was born there and my parents grew up there.
Dad (Dwight Sr. has an E-55 and often makes day visits to Rocky Mount from Raleigh to see friends and relatives).

PS. wish I had known earlier, last weekend the Raleigh Chapter of MB met at Pinehurst #2 for lunch and then to a local restoration shop for drooling privileges. Fred brought his 1956 300SL Gullwing. I had never seen one in the flesh before. IMMACULATE. Neat group of people.

If you get this way (Matthews, NC (Charlotte)), looks us up.

Chris & Fad, cool Photos, Thanks for sharing.

Michael, I love the looks of them all,
but cast my vote for the 92's. Bigger is better.

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Old 04-19-2002, 03:42 PM
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93 500e RED!! Bone Stock

Okay, I'm legit now
93 500e RED!! Bone Stock
60K mi.
see pics at "German Redhead" thread
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Old 04-19-2002, 07:29 PM
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Albert,
Congrats!
Are you keeping the 400E as well?
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