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Old 06-07-2005, 11:07 PM
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Post Lowered w124 help

After much research, dreaming, and saving, I have finally lowered my 94 e420 with Eibach springs, bilstein sports, 1 bump fronts pads, 2 bump rears, and rear adjustable camber arms. My thanks to all the experts and newbies in this forum for lending their advice and experience.

I hope someone out there can help in solving my new problem.

Due to rust and old age (mine and the car), I was only able to install one rear adjustable camber arm. Now, I noticed that the height difference between the passenger's and driver's side is about 1/2 inch (higher on the side with the adjustable camber arm). I know lowering causes negative camber, but does fixing negative camber cause a raising in vehicle height? If I adjust the camber, will I be able to achieve uniform height on both sides?

Many thanks to any input anyone can provide.

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Old 06-07-2005, 11:14 PM
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Hallo...and welcome to the forum.....

Until you fit ALL your new parts, you are going to have a problem.

Fix ?...You might find a tame alignment guy to balance the suspension for you, but I doubt it very much.

Rust ? How bad can a 1994 MBZ car rust anyway....? Yeah...I know..I get to work on some rust buckets from your part of the world from time to time.

So......get a shop to finish the job.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:06 AM
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It can be a struggle to get everything just right

I thought about this a little when I had the K-MAC bushings installed. I changed the spring pads and added the K-MAC bushings at the same time, so I wasn't able to determine how much the camber adjustment alone affected the height. I am pretty sure, however, that the height increased more than expected from just increasing the pad thickness. I read that a 5mm change in pad thickness could produce a 7mm or 8mm change at the fender lip, but my height increased even more than that when I added the K-MAC bushings and increased the pad thickness.

I think it makes sense that if ride height affects camber then camber adjustment should affect ride height. In my case, the K-MAC bushings pull in the lower part of the wheel. The more perpendicular wheel should increase the distance to the ground and thus raise the entire suspension to which it is attached. Your camber arms push the top of the wheels out, but I think the net result should be the same. I am certainly not an expert at this, but it makes sense to me.

Regardless, I don't think you should ride around with only half of the camber adjusted. I think it would be better to have too much camber at both wheels than to have one fixed. I think you have to get the other arm installed, or take the first arm off. It sounds like you are on the right track. Just finish the job and everything will be OK.

I had some fun when my camber was almost negative 3. I had absolute confidence when cornering. It is still good at negative 1.5, but seeing those super flared wheels / \ just made me feel like a racer.

I should also add that my car was sitting slightly different at each fender before the drop and it is still slightly different after the drop. Of course everything constantly changes, depending on the road surface where I park, but I use the position in my very level garage as a benchmark. I would say that my passenger side is about ¼ inch higher at the rear and maybe 1/8 inch lower at the front than on the driver's side. The very small differences in ride height were virtually invisible when the gaps between the fender and tire were large, but with the narrow gap after the drop the small differences are much more noticeable. I must have measured my car more than 100 times, both before and after the drop, so I am pretty sure I am not just imagining this.

Good luck with your car.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:59 PM
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Now, I noticed that the height difference between the passenger's and driver's side is about 1/2 inch (higher on the side with the adjustable camber arm). I know lowering causes negative camber, but does fixing negative camber cause a raising in vehicle height? If I adjust the camber, will I be able to achieve uniform height on both sides?
Interesting problem. Lowering decreases camber, or increases negative camber if you wish. If I picture how a wheel is tilted inwards at the top and outwards at the bottom with negative camber, I can see that the tire might be riding up on the inside shoulder.... As the K-Mac bushings are pressed into the standard camber arms and are eccentric, might they also change your ride height?

Anyway, why don't you adjust negative camber on the K-Mac side to the same as the stock side and see what happens?
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Old 06-08-2005, 05:07 PM
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Great idea!

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Interesting problem. Lowering decreases camber, or increases negative camber if you wish.
Anyway, why don't you adjust negative camber on the K-Mac side to the same as the stock side and see what happens?
That is a perfect experiment! That is a great idea need2speed! Now he will be able to definitively determine if camber adjustment affects the ride height. Just be sure to do some careful measuring before and after the adjustments. If you don't change the wheels, tires, or tire pressure, then the floor to the fender lip is a good measurement. If you make any other changes, however, you should measure from the center of the wheels to the fender lip.

I think he has the camber arms, not the K-MAC bushings, but the concept is certainly the same.

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