Dave- I would think that with 1-bump spring-pads, the 500E struts would work fine.

Glen has 500E struts on his wife's wagon with stock springs & pads, and I believe Glen said it works great and he also has 500E for comparison.

BTW: I do have 500E front & rear springs on my wagon, as well as 500E front struts.

:-) neil

Yep - if it's low enough, the 500E struts should work fine. But I'd still go with KONI's in your situation. :D :D

yeah i have 1 bumps fr/rr. I may give it ago. if th eprice is right

thanks guys.
fq

surprising...
 

No one has mentioned anything about the AMG E60 suspension setup.

Currently, I am running AMG E60 springs (front and rear), with Bilstein Sport shocks up front and OEM (hydromatic) rears.

I am considering upgrading my rear (OEM, hydromatic) shocks to the AMG E60 (hydromatic) offerings; is anyone here running them?

If so, ...impressions?

Scott- what's it like with E60 springs? Did it lower the car much? Is it very stiff, or still compliant?

BGW: what's up with www.500ecstasy.com ?

Am I typing it wrong, or is it down?

:-) neil

Neil
 

All my websites will be back up NLT 2200 hrs, tonight; #$%^ing SBC screwed up my circuit speed upgrade order and CANCELLED my Internet service, early last week!!!

My ride is much stiffer than OEM, obviously; however, it is PERFECT in the front. I am seeking opinions on the rear (AMG E60) hydromatic struts before I "bite the bullet" and spring for them, given the "$teepne$$ factor."

; )

Scott, just to inform the rest of our readers about your full setup... you DO have the sweet RENNTech front sway bar, right? IIRC, it is 30mm in the middle, and 22mm at the ends? Stock 18mm rear bar, correct? On a side note - who do you buy your Euro parts from?

:)

Dave
 

You are correct; my front swaybar is a 30mm (O.C.) RENNtech.

I buy my parts directly from the tuners, usually.

Holy CRAP! You weren't kidding about the price:

HWA1243200313
HYDRO-PNEUM.AUX SPRING
EUR 773.23
The part is available.

DAMN!!! Even from Speed-Autotiele.com, that's still gonna be about $1500 USD for the pair. And I thought the rear springs were pricey at $500/pair...! FYI, here's the E60 AMG suspension part numbers:

(All prices Euro List from the MB web page: )

HWA-124-321-04-04 - Front spring - $300/ea
HWA-124-320-15-30 - Front strut - $550/ea

HWA-124-324-04-04 - Rear spring - $275/ea
HWA-124-320-03-13 - Rear hydro "shock" - $775/ea

Sheesh, that's about $3500 USD, plus another $200 for the E60 sway bar, to bring your 500E up to AMG specs. Almost makes RENNTech look affordable. :D

straight from the horse's mouth
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott M. Shell
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:29 AM
To: 'D.Watzl@Mercedes-AMG.com'
Subject: AMG parts confirmation request

Mr. Watzl,

Thank you very much for your reply. I have updated my AMG contacts with your name/number/e-mail alias.

Please confirm my notes, below (part descriptions in parentheses) and reply.

I need to confirm the part descriptions, as you sent me 6 (when I inquired about only 4).




HWA 124 320 15 30
(E60 front sport shocks = SAME PART # LEFT AND RIGHT)

HWA 124 320 03 13
(E60 rear hydraulic/SLS enabled sport shocks = SAME PART # LEFT AND RIGHT)

HWA 124 321 02 04
(E60 front LEFT spring)

HWA 124 324 02 04
(E60 front RIGHT spring)

HWA 124 321 04 04
(E60 rear LEFT spring/SLS enabled 500E)

HWA 124 324 04 04
(E60 rear RIGHT spring/SLS enabled 500E)




RSVP / Thank you,


- Scott M. Shell








-----Original Message-----
From: D.Watzl@Mercedes-AMG.com [mailto:D.Watzl@Mercedes-AMG.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:44 AM
To: Scott M. Shell
Subject: parts inquiry

Dear Mr. Shell,

sorry for my late response, but I was not in the office the last few days.

Regarding your inquiry, please find attached our offer:

Part number Price in Euro Availability
HWA 124 320 15 30 286,32 on stock
HWA 124 320 03 13 352,18 on stock
HWA 124 321 02 04 139,22 on stock
HWA 124 324 02 04 135,80 on stock
HWA 124 321 04 04 127,82 on stock
HWA 124 324 04 04 117,60 on stock

Please tell me the quantity from this parts, that I can calculate the exact freight charages.

Best Regards,
Daniel Watzl
Regional Sales Manager
Parts & Accessories

Mercedes - AMG GmbH
Daimlerstraße 1
D - 71563 Affalterbach

Tel. +49 (7144) 302-156
Fax +49 (7144) 302-202
d.Watzl@mercedes-amg.com

Wow. Now THAT is interesting. Apparantly buying AMG parts direct from AMG is lots cheaper than buying them from Mercedes - whoda thunk it. ;) The prices I posted were from MB Germany, and nearly double the cost on everything. Thanks for the tip - I'll keep that in mind! Perhaps the AMG prices quoted are what AMG sells them to MB for, then MB marks them up? Hmmm.

Now, as to the left/right spring thing. First, I think a little dyslexia is involved. All the 124-321 numbers are FRONT springs, all the 124-324 numbers are REAR springs. I think the next two digits (either 02 or 04) would be relevant for left & right. However, I have to question the accuracy of that. The Euro EPC shows the same springs left & right for the E60, both 04-04's. I tried to find where the 02-04's were used, and the only place I located them were under the AMG kit for 124.031, .128, and .133 "with self leveling". (Note: The EPC shows the 02-04's used in matching pairs on those chassis, same springs for left & right.) Now either Herr Watzl made a mistake (possible, not that likely, I'd hope), OR the EPC is wrong and AMG really did spec different springs left & right. I'm a little surprised at this new information and don't really know which is correct. Anyone know for sure? Or, he just quoted prices on the 6 numbers provided, and didn't verify the application. Where did you get the info, Scott...?

:cool:

Herr Infomeister
 

I obatined all of the aforesaid data from Mr. Wetzl, himself.

FYI - Herr Wetzl is Guntehr Riese's replacement...

Dang. I'd mention to him that the Mercedes factory parts catalog (EPC) conflicts with his info, and could he please verify it. I've never heard of different springs left & right on a Benz (at least no 201/124 chassis). And I'm 99.44% sure that I'm correct on the front/rear thing with the 321/324 numbers... somebody goofed on that, IMO. Either way, at ~$1800 EUR for the full kit (maybe $2k total with the sway bar to complete it), that's not really THAT bad. I've saved all the info for when I eventually get a 500E. (I'm hoping Shanta will sell me hers when she gets bored with it and upgrades to an E55 or something. ;) )

Hahahahahahaha.... we shall see!

;)

Dave- how about a MB pn# for the E60 long block AND short-block?

:-) neil