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Old 06-28-2001, 09:00 PM
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For those of you who are still about to upgrade the headlamps on their E500/500Es, the correct part numbers for the headlamps are:

For use with hoods prior to 94:
Left: 124 820 4359
Right: 124 820 4459

For use with 94/95 hoods:
Left: 124 820 0357
Right: 124 820 0457

Many thanks to MBenz for getting the above part numbers from a dealer in the Netherlands. The 94/95 part numbers have been confirmed with at least 3 UK dealers to be for the E500/500E, and are for LHD vehicles.

The ones Bekkers advertise on their website are for regular W124s. I called them up the other day and they quote upwards of $400 each for the above part numbers. UK dealers quote $250 each (without shipping) but have none available as yet.

The Parts Shop *may* have them in a few months. I bet pricing would be better too. Email/call Phil for details. (How's that for pressure, Phil? hehe) Also, the Parts Shop has a line on the following part numbers:

Left: 124 820 07 57
Right: 124 820 08 57

that are "options on the 124.036 cars" although I have no further information on them and am still researching these.

Anyone with info on the part numbers directly above or with sources for cheap Euro light part numbers quoted at the top of this thread, please post.

Hope this helps. And thank you for any further information anyone might have...






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Old 07-01-2001, 08:23 AM
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The part#s are for the complete headlight units including the (euro) indicators. The lights come as a complete set.

The older (500E) headlights come with amber indicators and the newer (E500) headlights come with clear indicators.
The older (500E) headlights cost 535 Dutch guilder each (approx 225 USD).
The newer (E500) headlights cost 705 Dutch guilder each...

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Old 07-02-2001, 04:03 PM
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I bought and installed the Bekker's Euro 124 units on my 500E for $440 for the pair shipped to CT. Bolted in perfectly and I updated the wipers/motors/ trim panels from a 94' 500E from my local dealer for under $200. What is the difference between a 500E Euro-lite and a regular 124 series Euro-lite? Unless you have gotten the Euro-adjustable units I see no noticeable change other than possibly a different spread pattern to the lens which you can buy seperately for about $75 each if you crack one. If you buy them for $400 a piece your being ripped off royally.IMHO. If so, then I'll sell you an island called Manhattan for $1000. Please feel free to respond in any capacity or tone.

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Old 07-02-2001, 04:45 PM
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The European W124 500s have auxiliary high beam lights next to the grill instead of the fog-lights in the normal W124 head light units. The W124 500s have the fog lights mounted in the bumper.
The 500 lights are a lot more expensive as the regular W124 lights; I don't know why...probably because the car is a rare vehicle in Europe (most 500 models were export products). I asked the dealer why the E500 lights were more expensive as the 500E lights, but he couldn't answer that question...

rainmaker...UK dealers carry right-hand-drive headlights with different lenses and reflectors or am I missing something here (don't know at what side Manila (Philippines?) drives).

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Old 07-02-2001, 08:37 PM
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Steve,

The part numbers you gave me checked out correctly. All E500/500Es were made in LHD only (of course the Brits just have to call it right hand traffic just to confuse the rest of us!)

At first they were initially telling me I was ordering the wrong lights until I told them it was on offshore inquiry for an LHD vehicle.

Jim,

That's a great observation *if* it can be confirmed that the only difference between the two is the lens and that the reflectors and other hardware are the same. I'll go check.

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Old 08-07-2001, 09:35 AM
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Jim,

I just checked with some parts suppliers here. Unfortunately, it's not just a matter of a simple lens replacement. The reflectors are different as well. I suppose the way they're wired up is different as well due to the different application.

The 500s have auxiliary driving lamps on them while the regular ones have fogs. The fog lamps of the 500s are in the bumper.

Oh, I'll gladly take Manhattan for $1000...you better have a clean title! :p
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Old 08-07-2001, 01:49 PM
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Indeed, the fogs are in the bumper...I think we all knew that, and the inner lens are aux. driving lights on my Bekker supplied lights also. I'm of the thought that MB wouldn't make an entirely different headlamp housing...just upgrade/re-configure the wiring and lens if need be ...and perhaps the reflectors as you suggest. Makes sense.

Bring over your "500E" only lamp when you pick up the deed for the island and we'll put them next to each other to see what the big dollar difference is. BTW, you WILL have to evict some indingents before moving on the island , though...I bet if you flash those lights on them at nite they'd boogie away real toot sweet.
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Old 08-07-2001, 02:00 PM
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Jim,

Mind posting a pic of your headlamps if you have a pic handy?

I'm not sure what kind of lamps Bekkers supplied you with but the 500E driving lamps have a larger reflector than the regular W124 fog lamps.

Like so:


They're not Euros but the inner lamps have an oval-ish reflector vs. the regular round ones.

Btw, there are a couple of incumbent indigents I wouldn't mind booting out of manhattan...for the most part, the rest can stay.
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Old 08-07-2001, 09:49 PM
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Euro lights? How much better?

Is the upgrade to Euro lights really worth the $ in lighting performance? or just appearance? Stats anyone?
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Old 08-07-2001, 09:59 PM
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All the MBs I've ever had (save my 500E) are all Euro spec and therefore have euro lighting. I find that the MBs lights are sufficient (beaten only by the Range Rover's lights).

My NA spec 500E, on the other hand, has lighting that can only be described as "it sucks."
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Old 08-08-2001, 01:22 AM
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Picture of Euro lights on 500E

For a look at the Euro lights on a 500E, check out this item:

http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1619811575
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Rainmaker- where did you get Euro 94-95 E500 lights from? Please post contact info & name.

Also, I checked out your "photo library" and saw the left & right ducts in the bumper area. What are these ducts for?

On the USA version, the engine breaths from behind the headlamps.

Brake, engine mount ducts, etc.? Please tell us?

Also, why remove the factory primer from the hood?

Thanks,
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PS: here are pics of your ducts and the primer being removed from the hood:



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Old 10-04-2001, 09:36 PM
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I initially thought they were for the brakes. I'm sure they're not the air intake as I've replaced my air box with the one from Renntech and the intake ends behind the headlamps. My car is a Canadian spec car so we should have the same set up. Guido says those are for the engine mounts. I'll double check just to be sure.

The reason why the original primer was removed is that the shop painting it has had problems with the original primer before. He claims that it's just rustproofing and the paint doesn't stick as well. And that's the only way he'll guarantee the paint for as long as I have the car and that's in writing. He's also the best there is. All the car dealers go to him to have their cars detailed for product launches and his paint jobs invariably win the car shows around here. So I guess I'm protected either way.

Regarding the lights, I just "made my own." I got regular W124 Euros, am in the process of replacing the lenses and had the reflectors chromed. Saved me $500 too. Sourcing the real Euro E500 lamps is just taking too long. I've been at it for the past 3-4 months and all the leads have so far been duds. The closest I've gotten are dealers from the UK quoting me $600 for the pair but they are "currently out of stock and we need your order and a 50% deposit but we cannot guarantee when they will be available"

Hope that helps...

Oh, and sorry about not being able to sort out the wiring of the ASR switch for ya...I had sent the unit to the shop for installation by the time I read your post...
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Old 10-04-2001, 09:47 PM
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Neil, have you spec'd out a new diff for your 500E with an improved final drive ratio? You're 360TE does out accelate the 500E to 60 and 100mph, right?

I'm thinking of going that route myself but would have to source a used working diff to ship to Renntech so that the downtime is minimal on my 500E.

Do you think moving up to a 3.06 would substantially increase my consumption? What about top speed, how much would I be giving up?

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Old 10-04-2001, 10:04 PM
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Yes, the 360TE AMG with 3.07 limited-slip is faster to 100MPH than my 1993 500E, but you must be in the right gear and rev it to redline.

So far with GPS my 3.07 has topped out at 155 MPH.

Unless you remove your speed-limiter on the 500E, you should get the same top-speed and sooner after 100MPH.

A 400E user I know says his 400E is faster than a 500E with 3.07 gears. Fuel-consumption will most likely be 3-5% lower.

Best of luck,
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