Remus exhaust - now again available - special run
 

If you are interested in putting a Remus muffler on your W126, be aware Remus Sport Exhaust of Austria has agreed, through a co-operating distributor in the USA, to do a special run of 10 Remus W126 mufflers.

These were designed and engineered SPECIFICALLY for the W126, and dyno tested.

They are not cheap, of course, but anyone who wants the best muffler possible, for a W126, may want to jump in.

Only three more commitments are needed, with a paypal payment, and then the factory in Austria will make the run, and the mufflers will be shipped by sea freight container to the United States.

The price is $859 USD plus $70 shipping/handling (the box is 50 pounds).

If 20 paid orders are recieved, the run will be 20, not 10, and the price will go to $768

This is NOT an advertisement for Remus, just a notification that that a group of enthusiasts from another forum convinced the company to do a limited run.

For information from Remus Sport Exhaust and how to go about signing up to be on the list to buy one see:

www.remusexhaustshop.com

They are very forthcoming, co-operative and willing to answer all questions, by phone or email.

This is going to be a one-time-only resurrection of the No Longer Available Remus W126 muffler, with the dual square tips.


For information, and final negotiations and committed parties, as of today, see:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd-sdl-class/1342568-pricing-remus-potential-group-buy.html


For the history, debate, lengthy and spirited discussion of how the idea for a special run of the W126 Remus muffler came about, see this 17 page discussion:


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd-sdl-class/1341201-remus-mufflers-available-any-more-w126.html?highlight=remus

It was believed that these W126 Remus mufflers would NEVER be available again, but now is the chance to get one. Anyone wanting the best should check this opportunity out.

Note, I personally have no interest or connection to the Remus company or its distributors, but wanted to alert anyone intertested, about this.

you could get a whole new 3" exhaust setup for that price ..

Oh, at first I was reading that as the whole exhaust system. Yeah, $965 delivered sounds like a lot for just a muffler.

It IS expensive, fellas, but it is NOT "just" some muffler. It is the best one there is, hands down. Even better than the AMG mufflers that were made for those cars. Today, they even make the mufflers for the Brabus tuned cars.

If you read the last link (above) this same exact point was made, debated, and argued and explained.

There are reasons for why it costs high.

Not meaning to disparage (sp?) what you said, Jim. Jes' sayin' . . .

I have a full Remus system on my 300CE and am still getting used to it. I think the Remus would sound pretty cool on a SEC.

You should order one of the, Kevin. Then, in a few months I can buy it from you . . .

Is the Remus all stainless steel?

AMG used Sebring for their mufflers; Sebring is still in business. I need a new muffler for my SL AMG (mine has a pinhole), and money is never a consideration when buying parts for that SL, but I'm not sure how a $900 Remus muffler could sound that much better than a $400 Sebring.

1) Is it that good?
2) Do you have dimensions on one so I can see if it'll fit the SL?

the linked thread didnt really help much .. after page six i gave up .. all it pretty much was ..remus is the best ...no magnaflow is just fine ..no remus is the best .. no magnaflow is just as good ..

pretty stupid thread .. i guess if you want the remus look and sound than it would be for you ... but id never spend that much money on a muffler .. "what? just a muffler?" ...yes just a muffler ..

comes down to opinion .. me personally .. id rather stick that money into other parts .. then when i have nothing left to waste my money on .. id probably buy one just to say i have a remus muffler .. its the best one ever made for my car

Yes.

Inside and out. 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.

Could be just your sour grapes. I am not saying you just came around to relieve yourself on other people's bonfires, but all those kinds of remarks have been made on the other threads.

Maybe if you are that cost conscious you should be driving a Kia.

Here is a novel idea for you: Die beste oder nicht "The best, or nothing". That is the slogan of the Mercedes Benz car company, and till about 15 years ago, it was the guiding principle behind every Mercedes Benz that was engineered and left the assembly line in Germany.

EVERY W126 was constructed to this standard, and it was one VERY important reason why these cars were purchased new, by their aware and discriminating customers.

Likewise with Remus. They are well experienced as makers of F1 exhausts,
with genuine motorsports experience and R&D behind them, which is worth more than hollow claims and opinions, and anyone should know that exhausts such as Remus that are homolgated by AMG, Brabus and Renntech cost big money.

Remus mufflers are made from expensive processing, with stainless steel inside and out.

They have a VERIFIED hp increase and are dyno tested.

They are application specific and no longer built for the W126.
The factory was persuaded to build them again for this limited run. It may never happen again - which was the reason for this thread, SIMPLY TO NOTIFY people interested.

They have a 3 year and unlimited mileage warranty.

They are installed using factory mounting points.

They have stainless steel tips, highly polished and chromed

They have an infinitely adjustable valve control for adjusting the sound.

From a budget-driven, peckersniff point of view they may not be worth the money, but then, what is the value of a flawless 3 carat diamond, or an original Chippendale highboy?

Quite simply, they are worth the money for people who appreciates and wants the best, and there are customers out there who do.

It was to such people that this thread was directed.

Compare, Just on looks.
 

Compare how they look:

Magnaflow:
http://www.eurekaboy.com/liberty/magnaflow2.jpg


Remus:
http://www.remusexhaustshop.com/images/IMG_3509%20edited.jpg


Just on the tips alone, the Remus stands far above; Remus will NOT sell its tips separately. There is a reason: it would degrade their reputation.

"pretty stupid thread" was referring to the linked thread of debates .. again it comes down to opinion on what you think your money is worth .. quality, hp gain, sound, etc .. i just gave my opinion is all .. doesnt mean i dont like you cause you would spend 900+ on a muffler .. just means i dont agree with you .. heck ill go as far as to say maybe they are prettier and have a minimal hp advantage over magnaflow or whatever other one you would like to compare it to.. maybe they even sound the best .. and have the best non sold separately tips .. but i wouldnt buy it is all .. the cost doesnt justify what you get compared to others .. its all in the motives for getting a new muffler

If a W124 Remus were cheaper, I would have one... :)



Plan and simple. They are the best.





Problem is that they are mucho dinero. So for me... I am putting in a Timevalve Y-Pipe.

Hey Jim, if they do the run, go ahead and put me down for one for my SEC. Thanks

Hey, Jim. Do you know the dimensions of the muffler?

Kevin, I will do that, thanks for asking.

My information is that they need five orders in to do the run. This means five confirmed commitments for a W126 muffler, meaning paid in full (Paypal is the only acceptable method).

So far, (as of today) there are two that are paid. The confirmation receipt and information notes that the order status remains on "hold" pending the five minimum paid orders that will trigger the run.

A third individual wants one, but stated that he cannot order and pay until January, after Christmas.

A forth individual from Los Angeles stated in October that he would like to buy TWO, as he owns a 500SEC and a 560 SEC. But we have not heard from him yet.

You can either wait to see if the quota of 5 is reached, and then place your order, and get it, or place your order (and pay for it) now, to edge the group buy status closer to its quota of 5 that is needed to start the run.

So let me know of your intentions.

The paid orders are being monitored on a daily basis. Once three more of them have been recorded, the group buy will proceed and the mufflers will be manufactured and shipped from Austria by sea freight container.

Things are moving along very nicely towards that goal. You can check the link in the OP to see the daily progress.

If you wish to order now, then post a note to that effect here, after you have done so, or let me know, in order that the so-called master thread can be made aware of the status of the group buy order.

If you'd like to do it now, but do not have Paypal, and do not want to establish an account with them, just for that purpose, send me a PM, and maybe I can help you out...

Brian, no I don't, but I HAVE asked the distributor at the USA Remus shop what they are, (by email tonight) keeping in mind that these particular mufflers are "application-specific" and designed for the W126.

I have asked *specifically* whether one of them would fit the R107 body, as Remus no longer produces mufflers for that chassis, and whether the factory R107 mounting points are the same as on the W126. I hope that will help you.

I assume the muffler for the R107 chassis is also "one-in, two-out", same as the W126.

The Remus distributor is very co-operative, and usually answers emails on a daily basis, so I would expect to hear from him soon.

I will let you know what he says here, by PM or email to you, just as soon as I hear back from him.

Thanks. I was going on the photos I saw on BenzWorld.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/atta...oup-buy-r1.jpg

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/atta...oup-buy-r3.jpg

These photos show that it's a dual pipe setup from beginning to end (like my SL); I doubted the front pipes would be a good fit, so I'd cut them as necessary and use just the muffler while putting the AMG tips on the ends. Are these photos the same muffler setup you guys are trying to buy or are they "one-in, two out"?

Just curious, why would you want to put AMG tips on this? I don't think it's a case of just popping the Remus tips off and sliding the AMG tips on.

Because the car is an AMG with AMG tips; no way would I want Remus tips when I have the original AMG ones available. The original tips would have to be cut off.

I need a new muffler, and I've contacted Sebring (the original supplier to AMG) to see if I can get a replacement and how much, but I only want quality stuff on this AMG and Remus is most certainly quality. Expensive, but possibly worth it if it'll fit.

W126 muffler specifications (as they relate to R107 SL models)
 

Brian,

The Remus shop emailed me today as follows:

"We will contact remus Austria for exact dimensions and mounting points.
However, since we are Friday (sic), we will most likely get our answer by Monday.

Best Regards,
Sales Department"

I guess you could stay tuned.

As to the "one in - two out" it was somewhat my understanding that that was the set up for the W126 Remus muffler, and it has been a long time since I looked underneath the car (no ramps at home for it) and I am pretty certain the stock W126 500/560 exhaust setup was "one-in /two out"

If you like I can ask that one, on Benzworld and clear it up in a jiffy. People there would know.

The picture in your post is not the same as the ones I recall seeing in the Benz World threads on the W126 Remus. There are some.

Is that picture one of a R107 muffler?

The old AMG exahust systems were built by Sebring of Austria . . . who are also the same folks that make Remus. So, in a round about way AMG=Sebring=Remus.

Saw off the Remus tips and sell them on ebay or CL.
 

Let me give you a suggestion that immediately comes to mind, here, that I think you might like.

You could buy the Remus, set it up and get a Sawzall or something, and saw off the Remus tips, and replace them with AMG ones, even yours on the car now; I understand well you desire to have the original vintage AMG look.

I bet you could sell those Remus tips here or on ebay in a flash.

The Remus literature says SPECIFICALLY that Remus will NOT sell their exhaust tips separately, as to do so would degrade their image and their product.

But there are many posers out there I bet who would JUMP at the chance to grab a set of Remus exhaust tips and put them on their Magnaflow, Flowmaster, etc. to have at least the convincing LOOK of the Remus tips on a cheap muffler without having to spring for the price of a Remus.

List it as "Remus exhaust tips" and I bet they would sell in a flash, and you could get serious money for them, especially if they were new, and it would mitigate your expense.;)

Hell I myself might have even considered spending the money for a complete exhaust set up and sticking those Remus tips on a Magnaflow, which Jono, a pretty good W126 expert, says is a good box.

But I like the idea of a Remus muffler a lot and anyway, I just paid Remus and bought one.

Just a thought - but I would definately consider it. What do you think?

1) The pics I posted were from the BenzWorld thread - I have no idea what the muffler in those photos fits, but I assumed it was a w126 since it was in the w126 forum.

2) I never thought about selling the Remus tips, but if it'll offset the price of the muffler a bit, then I think that's a brilliant idea.

3) As long as the muffler fits in my r107 application, then I'd be interested in being included. Especially since the Sebring=Remus=AMG. I'm looking forward to hearing what Remus has to say on Monday.

Thanks, Jim.

Remus tips for sale huh?



Hmmmm... If you do it let me know.

Could be a win/win situation here
 

You are a VERY smart guy, Justin. I hope this works. (And just for the record, you are NOT a poser because you asked first dibs on them!!!:D

They would look so awesome on your wagon...

When are Nik, Garrett and ya'all going back to the yard again? I wouldn't mind going. A friend here is looking for a '96-'97 Volvo 960 wagon left side tail light lense, to replace her busted one, and that would be a reason for me to get to go down, right there.......

560 has a dual in dual out rear muffler

Jim, it won't fit my r107. The length on my Sebring/AMG muffler is 17.5 inches, and a two inch increase would mean it'll either hit the sway bar bushing mounts towards the front or the rear valance on the back. I'll have to find me a Sebring.

Group buy cancelled.
 

Evidently the Remus distributor in NJ that set helped set up the group buy got impatient and annoyed that five people couldn't be found (only myself and one other) to pay in full.

They may be available later, but the price will be over $1,000 it seems - if it is available at all. Check their website or contact the distributor if interested

Meanwhile I went out on my own and found perhaps the last OEM 560SEC Remus muffler there was and I bought it.

It should be at my door tomorrow, and (insured, shipped and bought for a total of well less than $1,000, and it turns out I knew the seller from years ago on mbcoupes.com days, so the trust level is high, and we know many SEC fanciers in common.)

I have found a Remus exhaust tuner near the SF airport who said he could do the install, but $118 ph for 2 hours, and a round trip of 500 miles doesn't appeal (though the return , with the new muffler on, certainly does!)

Or maybe I should find a good local store in Sacramento for cheaper? What do you think?

Not a hard install, so long as the cut to the pipe in made in the correct place.
the collars are already there.


http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...musexhaust.jpg

...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...xhaustside.jpg

you must have some incredible socks

I have a Remus on my E500. If you want an idea of how it sounds (with the middle muffler also removed), check out the vidoes of my dyno runs here... #4 and #5 are closest to the exhaust:

http://www.w124performance.com/movies/Mercedes/dyno/94_E500/

FWIW, a guy on the 500Ecstasy.com forum (Terry) is trying to get a GB going for the 500E/E500 Remus muffler, directly from Remus (not the unauthorized dealer in Australia). Turned out to be $1399 each including shipping to the USA... but the hard part is getting 10 people interested. So far I don't think he's been able to scrounge up enough serious buyers. Man, I'm glad my car came with it already installed!

:stuart:

I have had mine on for almost 2 weeks, and couldn't be happier with the look, sound, and performance.

Install day at the Remus dealer down by San Francisco airport. www.toplineautomobile.com

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...gRemusmuff.jpg

Dead on.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...eRemustips.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...imsRemuson.jpg

Gives it a menacing a new look.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...imsRemus1-.jpg



http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...28Remustip.jpg

Jim, do you like the sound of the Remus exhaust? I was listening to Powerpig's the other day and was expecting a deeper, more throaty sound.

That's my biggest complaint..We have one on the 91 ECE and it's really a very tame sounding setup.. Personally, I like to KNOW there's a V8 under the hood;-)

As an aside, I'm looking to re-manufacture the AMG boxes for 124's and 126's in the coming year (Have one of each to pattern off of). They will be full stainless, same internal technology and mandrel bend (the original AMG boxes had compression bends..).

I'll be around w/ pricing once I get it nailed down.

Jonathan

see thats my complaint as well. I'm shopping around for an exhaust for the new SEC, because I want it to sound like it's got the engine that its got in it :)

After driving Powerpigs CE's around for a few weeks, yeah the sound is neat but it only sounds a little better than the typical fartcan you hear on ricers, albeit coming on loud only after getting above 3500-4k. Granted its a 6cyl, but still... This one which is remus, doesnt have the whole box, it's just one pipe that splits into two and has the perforated inner pipes and the standard square Remus tips. I wouldn't necessarily call that one a "muffler" in the sense that the one for the 126 is.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...ef/pics282.jpg

Cool. Maybe by the time you put that together, I'll have something to put it on.:D

If you really want something that will Snarl @ you, install a set of high flow cats along w/ a Magnaflow dual in dual out. You'll like it;-)

I'll keep ya'll updated on the muffler project..!
Jonathan

I will hopefully be in the market for an exhaust system soon for my M120 107. The construction of the car limits me to 1 muffler. I would like to find a very thin but high performance cat 2.5", 2 in 2 out. And a nice muffler that will be quiet at cruise and have a nice deep, Italian tone under load.

John Roncallo

How did the v8 and straight six boxes differ? Which ones do you have?

I have V8 boxes for the 126 and 124. I'm going to venture to say that you can run a V8 box on a I6 etc w/o issue.


Jonathan

Who do you plan on using to remanufacture them? I'd love to get one when they become available.

I plan on using myself and a few key resources that I have put together during my travels:)

John, we'll keep you in mind..where do you plan on mounting the muffler, stock location or..?

Jonathan

As stock as possible. I'm mounting the second generation W124 AMG body kit. The install guide from the WIS simply suggest using longer hangers to accommodate the muffler.