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How much fabrication did you have to do to make it fit?
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simply put, barely any. A few hammer strokes to the firewall and trans tunnel (around the valve bodies and pan), and custom motor mount arms (so that I could reuse my OEM m103 mounts and mount locations). I'll have pics this weekend that I'll post. Beyond that, I used the standard trans mount, and it bolted right up and put the motor in the correct position as well. No shortening of the driveshaft, and I just replaced the stock swaybar with one from a 500e.
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So the drive shaft bolted right up to the tailshaft on the trannie without problems?
Did you use the stock fan and clutch? W201 Steeringbox?
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There is not enough room to use the engine driven fan or clutch assembly. I'm going to be using an electric pusher fan on the other side of the radiator which will hopefully be sufficient (crossing fingers). Oh yeah, not sure if I mentioned this, but you absolutely have to swap out the front swaybar for the 500e angled bar so that the 116/117 oil pan will clear. As it is, you will probably only have about an inch or so of clearance there, though it should sit slightly below the swaybar in terms of elevation. I am putting the final touches on the motor mount arms, and assuming the m103 mounts in the same way in the 124 as it does in the 201, I would be happy to share the design with you. That would definitely save you some trouble edit: I see in your sig that you have already done the 500e swaybar mod, so you are already one step ahead!
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FWIW, there are a couple of C36 M104's on ebay right now. . .
I have 3.27, 3.06, and 2.87 diffs for my C36-powered W124 wagon, and the best daily-driver diff is the 2.87. Good luck with the swap! :-) neil 1988 E36T AMG ( http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline ) 1993 500E 1995 E320 wagon |
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Thanks man, its going to be interesting... I have thought long and hard about the M104, but I have the whole deal, computers and all for the V8.
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I would personally much rather do the wiring on the CIS swap rather than messing around with the HFM conversion. Its almost plug and play with a MAS equipped m103, and even closer on a pre-MAS car.
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Sounds like a great idea.
If there is room, go with the Euro true dual manifolds for a bit more air flow. I'd certainly pull the heads and go through them while the motor is out. Polish the ports, three angle valve job, clean up the valve throats. I bet you could squeeze around 225-235hp from that motor no sweat. Keep the stock US cams as they're shorter duration for better low speed TQ.
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Guys, I have to ask, but why not drop an SBC 350 into it. Just because it's an MB engine, it's not going to make it any less of a Frankensteins car. At least with an SBC 350, parts are cheap and easy to come by.
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I wouldn't use a Gen I or II small Chev. The amount of power that can be had from the Gen III+ motors is beyond insane. You can get 360rwhp from a puny 5.3 with a mild cam and all bolt ons.
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Size....
I dont know if a GM motor will fit... I know a 420 will!
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I think resale wil be a lot better with an all benz rod.
The istallation will be simplified by the fact that many of the parts needed will be available from the factory since they offered the v8 in that chassis just not in the wagon. this will make maintenance easier too. Tom W
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I have a M104 AMG powertrain in my W124 wagon, along with 500E calipers, master cylinder, brake booster, swaybars, and springs, so when I have on occassion dropped it off to the dealer or my local tech, they don't freak-out, and they usually have the parts on hand. :-) neil |
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My indy mechanic said he will come in Sundays to work on my car when the shop is closed...
He doesnt want people to know that he services an oddball.
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I have a 117 sitting on my garage floor. What measurements do you need. John Roncallo |
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