Hey guys, I found this 1993 Wineberry 500E in fairly good condition with 68K miles, 2nd owner, all records.

The guy said the hood needs to be repainted, and the rear suspension squeaks. He could do it, or subtract the amount from the purchase price. There's also a bumper ding front & rear.

Any idea how much should be subtracted, and what a fair price would be?

Is this color hard to resell? Any other opinions and/or caveats?

Thanks,
:-) neil
1988 360TE AMG
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline

I think that is a relatively rare color in US. The car looks a little neglected, but maybe with some polish and whatever ....

What is he asking for it? It isn't a bad color, but might put some people off a tad. I kind of like it, myself.

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John

2003 Firemist Red/grey leather SL 500
2015 Palladium Silver/black mbtex GLK 350
1987 Smoke Silver/burgundy mbtex 300E Sportline (SOLD)

Click to see 87 300E

I agree with John, it looks neglected. Maybe it's just dirty after a light rain, I don't know. Either way, I like the color as well.

A couple things I noticed...
The windshield has been replaced (or the MB sticker removed)
Possible paintwork on the left rear fender
Lower body cladding has prob. been painted;
The bumper covers have definitely been painted
No factory phone
Needs new antenna mast
AMG rear muffler

If the hood needs to be painted than either it has been repainted in the past or the car spent alot of time in the sun...how does the roof and deck lid look? If it's sun damage, then the dash took a beating as well.

Resale value? Why?
Seriously, I don't think the color will make much difference if the car is well kept. From this point on, only enthusiasts would consider buying one...and the rarity of the color would likely be a plus.

Good luck.

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Glen Tokuhara
Beauty & the Beast and the wagon that could!

Interesting color! The dealer's wife in Austin had one in a similar color, may have been cabernet.

Nice AMG upgrades ( wheels, muffler ). Is the engine stock?
How is the interior?

Could be a good daily driver, but probably a bit rough to qualify as a garage princess.

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Bryan Harter
1992 500E Smoke Silver
2002 CLK55 AMG Cab Silver/Black
2001 Harley Fatboy - Pearl White
2004 F150 FX4 Silver/Grey
1969 GTO Liberty Blue
1956 F100 Black

Price should probably be function of the following (random order):

a) How does it drive/ sound/ track/ handle/ respond?
b) Maintenance on time and documented
c) Carfax
d) How do you feel about the aftermarket pieces on the car? any receipts?
e) Color, OK with you? Can you live with it?
f) Do OEM wheels come with the sale?
g) Compression test/ leak down test- through inspection
h) Fluid Leaks/ condition of fluids
g) pricing: KBB, Edmunds, autotrader.com (market values on similar cars), there' a ton of 500e/e500's for sale at autotrader.com!
h) what is your intended use and condition you would like the car in? if it is a daily driver, then probably restoring the finish to showroom wouldn't be a priority...if you want a showpiece, then it appears that the finish will need $$$ to repaint (glasurit?)

from the pics, it looks like it had more than ~68K as we've seen nice 100K examples that are quite fresh looking in the mid $20k's on up (one for sale by Mark Herzig- a member here)

if you can get the car for a steal, and know what you are getting into, it might be worth living the dream. otherwise, there appears to be quite a few well kept ones currently for sale

good luck
-fad

If it needs paint, figure about $400 per panel to have it done by a top-quality shop.

I think that's a nice color, and it's not too extreme of a color so I'd think it would have little impact on the car's value.

Glen-good job! The only things I'd contest: the antenna-might simply need lube (mine has stuck at about the same position, and once lubed worked perfectly). And the factory phone issue-how could you tell there's no phone?

Unquestionably they painted the lowers later on-I'd bet they used a gloss clear coat as well, as opposed to the OE satin clearcoat. And the impact strips are supposed to be black.As to the rear suspension squeak, that's a tough one....only way to isolate the noise is to lubricate, one at a time, the rear suspension links. If they squeak, you can get temporary relief from high pressure grease, but eventually the link would need to be replaced (most are not too expensive).

Lastly, I believe Standox was the factory paint.

Good luck Neil!

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Michael
2014 E63S Estate
2006 SLK55
1995 E500
1986 Porsche 944 turbo

I don't know about the '92-'93's, but the impact strips on my '94 is the same color as the bumper cover. I looked at Dean's on his website and its the same too.

Randy
'94 E500

Yup, they went to bumper-colored impact strips for '94. Spme do prefer the look; in my case (Almandine Red) I think the contrasting impact strips look good, and I could've had them painted for no charge when they were installed (other paint work being done). Also, I go for originality whenever I can.

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Michael
2014 E63S Estate
2006 SLK55
1995 E500
1986 Porsche 944 turbo

It's funny, I've been looking at everything I can find about these cars since I bought mine early in the year and I never noticed the painted vs. non-painted impact strips.

I wondered how everyone knew this car had some paintwork done.

Randy
'94 E500

wineberry? must be the US name for the colour. the german catalogues list the colour as bornit. in canada it's known as blackberry. it's a rare colour in north america, but by no means difficult to come by. any mb dealer/authorized body shop will be able to get the paint as i have seen several 124s, 140s and even a few 201s painted in the same colour in and around vancouver.

as a point of interest, i've even seen a couple of dodges with the same colour.

i can't really tell from the pics but it looks as if the lower body cladding has been painted the same colour as the metal? originally, the lower body of the car was painted violetgrau (code 166). obviously the impact strips have been painted as several people have already noted. the impact strips went body colour for the 1994 model year. it was part of the remodel which included a new front end as well as rear trunklid updates. before '94, impact strips were black.

i don't think the colour will have much effect on resale price since there are so few of these cars in north america. tell me, if you had the opportunity to buy a 300sl gullwing would you harp about the colour? unlikely. we've never had anything but compliments about the colour of our blackberry 500E.

personally, i don't particularly like the rims that are on the car, nor do i like the beige interior. a black leather interior sets the bornit off morethan a light one. but that's just MY opinion.

so long as the car is mechanically sound, has no hits and you can live with the colour, you should be happy with it. the squeaking could mean its time to replace the suspension bushings which, if the car's really been driven, is not uncommon.

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'94 W124.036 249/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

Those rims are likely both light in weight and expensive. They're not particularly my cup of tea either, but I'd trade them for mine (AMG 17" 5 spoke) in a minute to lose about 10 lb/wheel in unsprung weight

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Michael
2014 E63S Estate
2006 SLK55
1995 E500
1986 Porsche 944 turbo

LOL...I must be telepathetic (no mispelling)
For some reason, my car has an external cell antenna in addition to the one built into the telescoping power antenna. Because this car didn't have one I jumped to the conclusion that it didn't have a phone. Oops.

And you're probably right, a little lube should fix that antenna!

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Glen Tokuhara
Beauty & the Beast and the wagon that could!

I just saw a car this color on my way in to work-too bad it was a rather filthy, beat-up '92 300E. I bet it's a great color when it's clean! The lower body cladding was a lighter color, and didn't look real good, at least on this particular car-probably the worst kept W124 I've ever seen

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Michael
2014 E63S Estate
2006 SLK55
1995 E500
1986 Porsche 944 turbo

...and whatever you do, make sure that license plate is part of the deal!

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Mark Stetson
1995 E320 Wagon Moonstone Grey/Parchment 106K mi.
2007 E63 AMG Graphite/designo 75K mi

Here in The Netherlands nine out of the ten W124's are this color!

i've looked for a while for a 500E and most of them are BORNIT.

It looks good on the car especially with the bottom painted in the same color.

The bottom is originaly a lighter type of grey (which is not so nice)

Roald