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Old 12-02-2008, 07:15 PM
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Many of your questions are answered here

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Unbelievable!! I'm speechless...have no speech--that's a fantastic website..well done!! taking several notes and will begin ordering parts now...can't wait. appreciate the link and all your hard work Rik...you've got a awesome ride....
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:45 PM
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Heh...I just posted 2Phasts site to the Ritter Easley list..should have posted it here as well!

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Old 12-03-2008, 07:39 AM
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Heh...I just posted 2Phasts site to the Ritter Easley list..should have posted it here as well!

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No problem Jonathan...amazing how he's taken so much time with the website...very detailed, very well done...wish I had that kind of intelligence!
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:21 AM
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Exhaust

I see Rik uses 3" pipe in his exhaust system...factory specs according to magnaflow are 2.25"....any thoughts? can you use the factory hangers unmodified with a 3" or should I just keep it at 2.25"? Magnaflow #94005 is the cat and #11255 is the muffler. Chime in if you have time 2phast..thanks to all in advance.
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:08 PM
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More W124036 Mods

2phast covers many of the available mods really well in his website. These mods to my car add to the list:

K&N air filters (33-2678)
Timevalve Y-pipe
BergWerks Euro E/S Switch (aka first gear start)
Middle-east spec OE cat-delete straight pipe (124 490 19 20)
1992 LH-Jetronic module with WOT enrichment (014 545 17 32)
EVO II 17x8.25 aluminum rims (B6 647 00 84)
OZ Futura 3-piece aluminum rims 17x8.5 front, 17x10 rear
H&R lowering springs (29855)
Bilstein Sport front struts (V36-0365)
MB Silver Arrow 334x32 front calipers (001 420 99 83/002 420 00 83)
Silver Arrow 300x22 rear calipers (129 423 03 98/129 423 04 98)
Cryo-treated Silver Arrow cross-drilled rotors (129 421 23 12/129 423 05 12)
WRXtra stainless brake lines
Renntech swaybar
AMG aluminum pedals (HWA 124 300 00 01)
Aussie Max-Plus keyless remote
Cool Harness radiator fan relay
Osram Hyper halogen 70/65w bulbs
RDM TEK 5mm shortened rear lower control arm
RDM TEK front adjustable camber plates
Euro-spec OE oil cooler (140 500 00 00, yet to be installed)
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:31 PM
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2phast covers many of the available mods really well in his website. These mods to my car add to the list:

K&N air filters (33-2678)
Timevalve Y-pipe
BergWerks Euro E/S Switch (aka first gear start)
Middle-east spec OE cat-delete straight pipe (124 490 19 20)
1992 LH-Jetronic module with WOT enrichment (014 545 17 32)
EVO II 17x8.25 aluminum rims (B6 647 00 84)
OZ Futura 3-piece aluminum rims 17x8.5 front, 17x10 rear
H&R lowering springs (29855)
Bilstein Sport front struts (V36-0365)
MB Silver Arrow 334x32 front calipers (001 420 99 83/002 420 00 83)
Silver Arrow 300x22 rear calipers (129 423 03 98/129 423 04 98)
Cryo-treated Silver Arrow cross-drilled rotors (129 421 23 12/129 423 05 12)
WRXtra stainless brake lines
Renntech swaybar
AMG aluminum pedals (HWA 124 300 00 01)
Aussie Max-Plus keyless remote
Cool Harness radiator fan relay
Osram Hyper halogen 70/65w bulbs
RDM TEK 5mm shortened rear lower control arm
RDM TEK front adjustable camber plates
Euro-spec OE oil cooler (140 500 00 00, yet to be installed)
Hey speed...saw your post as well...bergwerks in NLA, but quite a impressive list!! I'm formulating my list using everyones list...can't wait....
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:59 PM
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I replaced the whole exhaust from the cats back. All the factory mount locations were used of course and hangers were fabricated and welded to the exhaust/pipe. I had the rear magaflow tucked up where the stock exhaust is and some custom pipe was formed/cut to come down so the tips could be attached. This setup has a nice Corvette rumble to it now. Not really noticable inside the car, unless your accelerating.

As for the pipe, I am sure 2.5 or 2.75" pipe would be fine as well, but there is enough room for 3" pipe if you elect to use it.

Thanks for the comments on the site. Tools like Microsofts Expression Web allow you to design web sites and since mine is not complicated, just about anyone can make one similar.
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:58 AM
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thanks Adam! saw the ASR defeat thread..that is a must as what 47 year old doesn't like to roast Pirellis on a daily basis? you would think a major reputable manufacturer would produce every needed product to get the most out of the "velvet hammer"...appreciate the info...can't wait to get her here! hopefully by Sat. or Sun.
Glad to see I'm not the only 47 year old delinquent around here.
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:02 AM
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yes Johnathan...football..enjoy the open wheel circuit in particular.. I have a fantastic mechanic at Autoscope in Plano, TX that does all my German and British work...any details on the a/f meter that he might need to know? sorry for the ignorance here... but I can re-jet a Carter AFB!
will look up the magnaflow products....suppose the muffler shop can design the system with appropriate sizes? thanks for the help!
Also glad to see that there are other people on this planet that know there are other carburetors besides the Holley! I prefer AVS's myself. I've been running them for over 30 years. I knew about them before Vic Edelbrock did!
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:09 PM
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Smile Carter AFB carbs, the car that comes with them, AND the new addition!

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Also glad to see that there are other people on this planet that know there are other carburetors besides the Holley! I prefer AVS's myself. I've been running them for over 30 years.
Regards, Eric

you betcha! here's a pic of the AFB's...as well as the new addition!
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:53 PM
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Just put a rear mount turbo in there and call it a day If a q45 engine can do 8psi stock and roast tires, think of what a much better built 500e enigne could do lol. Im a turbo freak, please ignore me .
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:26 PM
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I have all the mods you are considering... BW FGS, ASR defeat, Y-pipe, Remus muffler, and 1992 LH module with eBay chip. Oh, and a high-volume Silver Carbon airbox, too. Dyno'd at 280hp (corrected) at the wheels. Serious power gains require forced induction or increased displacement, either one will likely lighten your wallet by at least $10k, and require lots of custom work.

The 1992 LH module will add 7hp, and at the dragstrip, it's worth a consistent 0.1 second a 1mph in the quarter mile. The chip does NOTHING except possibly remove the top speed limiter (mine is de-limited, but I can't say the chip is responsible). Rik says the chip did away with the cold upshift delay on his car, but mine still has the delay with the chip. DO NOT expect power gains from ANY chip, no matter what they claim. I've got back to back dragstrip runs proving they are a placebo.

There is a Euro cat-free exhaust pipe available, but it will set you back about $600 including shipping from Germany, and so far nobody has dyno or dragstrip data to prove if it is worth any power or if it just adds noise.

Check out my 1994 E500 at this link (sorry, I don't have current photos posted yet). Also check out assorted M119 goodies at this link.

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Old 12-26-2008, 03:00 PM
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Dave, If it wasn't the chip that removed the top speed limiter, what was it then? If there is another way to remove the top speed limiter, I'd like to know about it. What is your top speed now? With the 2.82s, aren't you already near the 6,000 RPM redline at 155 MPH?
BTW, I ran a corrected 14.59 on our "Test and Tune" day that nobody showed up for. Remember, my goal was a 14.7. That was in total street trim, no ice on the intake, no playing with tire pressures, no special tires, no weight removal, eng. temp. at 80c, first time at a dragstrip in 14 years. I'll post a full report if Scott ever gets the site back up again. It will be good reading! Regards, Eric
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Old 12-26-2008, 05:54 PM
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Dave, If it wasn't the chip that removed the top speed limiter, what was it then? If there is another way to remove the top speed limiter, I'd like to know about it. What is your top speed now? With the 2.82s, aren't you already near the 6,000 RPM redline at 155 MPH?
BTW, I ran a corrected 14.59 on our "Test and Tune" day that nobody showed up for. Remember, my goal was a 14.7. That was in total street trim, no ice on the intake, no playing with tire pressures, no special tires, no weight removal, eng. temp. at 80c, first time at a dragstrip in 14 years. I'll post a full report if Scott ever gets the site back up again. It will be good reading! Regards, Eric
Hey Eric,

If it wasn't the chip, it could be the LH module itself. The module I'm using was supposedly never used in any USA-spec 500E. The only way to tell for sure would be to try a top-speed run with the stock chip in that module. I wonder if I could do that on the dyno sometime. It would be nice to know if the chip is responsible.

There is another way to disable the limiter, a device known as "Vmax" was sold in Europe for this purpose, for ~$1k. It seems pretty simple, only 4 wires to connect, but nobody knows how it works.

With 2.82 gears and 500E tires (which are larger diameter than 400E tires), it will pull to 6400rpm in top gear, for a GPS-indicated 161mph (speedo pegged at 160 when the GPS only indicated ~150, lol). New tires would add 1-2mph.

A "corrected" 14.59 is pretty impressive for a 4.2L... what was the raw time (and speed), and at what elevation? Ice on the intake is mostly a waste of time... BT, DT. Tire pressure only matters if you're dealing with wheelspin, otherwise leave it as high as possible (lower rolling resistance). Engine temp 80 is perfect, it will slow down if it's much hotter. Scott's site is still DOA, but at the moment we're mostly moved over to the new *********.com until Scott gets 'Ecstasy going again...

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Old 12-26-2008, 10:18 PM
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Hey Eric,

If it wasn't the chip, it could be the LH module itself. The module I'm using was supposedly never used in any USA-spec 500E. The only way to tell for sure would be to try a top-speed run with the stock chip in that module. I wonder if I could do that on the dyno sometime. It would be nice to know if the chip is responsible.

There is another way to disable the limiter, a device known as "Vmax" was sold in Europe for this purpose, for ~$1k. It seems pretty simple, only 4 wires to connect, but nobody knows how it works.

With 2.82 gears and 500E tires (which are larger diameter than 400E tires), it will pull to 6400rpm in top gear, for a GPS-indicated 161mph (speedo pegged at 160 when the GPS only indicated ~150, lol). New tires would add 1-2mph.

A "corrected" 14.59 is pretty impressive for a 4.2L... what was the raw time (and speed), and at what elevation? Ice on the intake is mostly a waste of time... BT, DT. Tire pressure only matters if you're dealing with wheelspin, otherwise leave it as high as possible (lower rolling resistance). Engine temp 80 is perfect, it will slow down if it's much hotter. Scott's site is still DOA, but at the moment we're mostly moved over to the new *********.com until Scott gets 'Ecstasy going again...

G-man, It's probably the chip. remember, even the cars sold in Germany were limited to 155 MPH and all M-119s were limited to 6000 RPM. I think it was you that told me that another benefit of the chips is they sometimes raise the rev limiter.
...Pretty impressive for a 4.2... with those awful 2.24 gears! I'd been hearing and reading that Fontana is a slow track. I thought it was about 500 feet but it is actually 1110 feet! And they say that it slowly, slighty rises in the last half of the quarter! I'm not complaining, I know other guys have it worse, but I also know other guys have it better! (We used to have it better at Carlsbad. The track was nearly at sea level, it was almost always cool, and the track ran downhill!) I hate having to use a correction but you have to in order to compare to other's times on other days at other tracks and remember, the magazine times are corrected as well. Conditions on the money run: 73 degrees F, Bar. press. 30.11, Rel. density 93.96%, Density altitude 2113 feet, 14.959@93.81 U.C. which was another goal met: an uncorrected 14. The 60 foot time was 2.396 U.C. on that run. The corrected MPH was 96.219. I had 2 rims and tires in the trunk for traction. Without them it was wheelspin city. With them there was none at all. Amazing the difference a little weight back there made. Also was running a half tank of fuel that day.
You are right about the eng. temp. The car slows by 3 tenths with just a tiny rise above 80c. I myself have stated it before that the eng. temp. makes a huge difference. It's something we are going to address (along with that knappy OPS nanny) in the future. Many thanks to you Dave for your help and your site. I credit you with a large part of this 7 tenths gain! Even most of the ideas I didn't get from you or your site were the result of the thinking that your site caused me to do! Regards, Eric

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