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CJager 01-06-2009 10:15 AM

V12 in a W201
 
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to drop a V12 from a 600SEL into a 190E, if so I could use any info you if not well wish me luck on the psyco adventure.

300EVIL 01-06-2009 11:37 AM

I've seen an M119 in a W201 but I think an M120 would be pushing it. :D If you can do it, You'll be the MOD GOD!

CJager 01-06-2009 11:46 AM

Well I know it will fit after I cut the shock towers and move them a little.
I should note that the M120 I plan to use was built for a CLK GTR so it's the balls to the wall (635 bhp) AMG version with the AMG 6 speed man.

Deltacom 01-06-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CJager (Post 2069515)
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to drop a V12 from a 600SEL into a 190E, if so I could use any info you if not well wish me luck on the psyco adventure.



Check Roncallo's thread. It'l give you an idea of mods involved :rolleyes::D

RBYCC 01-06-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CJager (Post 2069515)
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to drop a V12 from a 600SEL into a 190E, if so I could use any info you if not well wish me luck on the psyco adventure.

Brabus did a 7.3L V12 in a W124 500E...

Judging by the fit in the 124 chassis engine bay, it looks like the fit in a 201 engine bay may be quite difficult !

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../BRABUSV12.jpg

CJager 01-06-2009 12:39 PM

I know this will be a hell of a project but, This redneck is up for the challenge. Besides there is nothing that can't be moved under the hood as long as one has a good cutting torch and a AC/DC welder.

el presidente 01-06-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CJager (Post 2069612)
Well I know it will fit after I cut the shock towers and move them a little.
I should note that the M120 I plan to use was built for a CLK GTR so it's the balls to the wall (635 bhp) AMG version with the AMG 6 speed man.

Pics please. :D

Roncallo 01-06-2009 05:45 PM

Of course it will fit!!!

Go for it.

AustinsCE 01-06-2009 05:49 PM

Put it in the back, hook it to a porsche or audi transmission.;)

MTI 01-06-2009 07:01 PM

Best of luck, keep us informed.

FLYNAVY 01-06-2009 07:38 PM

Have you actually sourced said engine, or are you just dreaming? If you haven't picked it up yet, I highly encourage you to reconsider. I'm one of the biggest proponents of the big engine in little car concept, but being intimately familiar with the hassle of simply putting a (much smaller) m117 V8 into a w201, I can tell you with confidence that this project will be incredibly expensive and filled with problems. If your wallet and leisure time knows no bounds, then by all means continue. To give you a rough idea of the numbers involved with this, I would estimate this to be at least a 30k USD project, if not much more depending on how well you do it. And that is assuming you do it yourself.

If you do have a lot of experience in fabrication, motor swaps, and more importantly modern MB electronics, then you will at least have somewhat of an advantage. That is pretty much the only circumstance in which I would recommend doing this swap, and of course with the knowledge of how expensive it will be. Good luck my friend!

CJager 01-06-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY (Post 2070209)
Have you actually sourced said engine, or are you just dreaming? If you haven't picked it up yet, I highly encourage you to reconsider. I'm one of the biggest proponents of the big engine in little car concept, but being intimately familiar with the hassle of simply putting a (much smaller) m117 V8 into a w201, I can tell you with confidence that this project will be incredibly expensive and filled with problems. If your wallet and leisure time knows no bounds, then by all means continue. To give you a rough idea of the numbers involved with this, I would estimate this to be at least a 30k USD project, if not much more depending on how well you do it. And that is assuming you do it yourself.

If you do have a lot of experience in fabrication, motor swaps, and more importantly modern MB electronics, then you will at least have somewhat of an advantage. That is pretty much the only circumstance in which I would recommend doing this swap, and of course with the knowledge of how expensive it will be. Good luck my friend!

Well I have the motor and tranny, As far as the cost goes I have alot of help on that. Now as far as the fabrication I have never done it to a car. I have done alot semis, Pickups and farm tractors, This will be the first time I have messed with MB electronics which is why I have a back up motor that has no electronics on it. But I am still hyped about this build, I sold my super moded Dodge W200 so I want to do something psyco again.

Roncallo 01-06-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY (Post 2070209)
Have you actually sourced said engine, or are you just dreaming? If you haven't picked it up yet, I highly encourage you to reconsider. I'm one of the biggest proponents of the big engine in little car concept, but being intimately familiar with the hassle of simply putting a (much smaller) m117 V8 into a w201, I can tell you with confidence that this project will be incredibly expensive and filled with problems. If your wallet and leisure time knows no bounds, then by all means continue. To give you a rough idea of the numbers involved with this, I would estimate this to be at least a 30k USD project, if not much more depending on how well you do it. And that is assuming you do it yourself.

If you do have a lot of experience in fabrication, motor swaps, and more importantly modern MB electronics, then you will at least have somewhat of an advantage. That is pretty much the only circumstance in which I would recommend doing this swap, and of course with the knowledge of how expensive it will be. Good luck my friend!

Fly Navy
Hows your project?

The M117 a good example of an engine about the same width as the M120. So we know width wise were in the ball park. We also know that the 201 came with a 2.6L M103 straight 6. I don't know if it ever came with the 3.2L M104 that was after my time. A V12 is only about 1 inch longer than a straight 6 so we may still be in the ball park there. I have personally measured the M120 and it is 34" long from fan to bell housing mount. It also weighs in at 667 Lb with the 722.6 transmission installed. If you remove the fan its about 2" shorter but that distance will only be taken back up with an electric fan.

Fly Navy's estimate seems high. I spent 40K including the purchase of the two cars and the interior and other mechanical restorations of the 560SL. The actual transplant with car and donor in hand is now at $15K plus $5K for tools and consumables.

I know where theirs an M120 engine for sale.

GO GO GO GO GO GO GO:dancefool

Roncallo 01-06-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CJager (Post 2070235)
Well I have the motor and tranny, As far as the cost goes I have alot of help on that. Now as far as the fabrication I have never done it to a car. I have done alot semis, Pickups and farm tractors, This will be the first time I have messed with MB electronics which is why I have a back up motor that has no electronics on it. But I am still hyped about this build, I sold my super moded Dodge W200 so I want to do something psyco again.

What year is the motor and trans out of. Is it a 722.6 5 speed?

FLYNAVY 01-06-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roncallo (Post 2070269)
Fly Navy
Hows your project?

The M117 a good example of an engine about the same width as the M120. So we know width wise were in the ball park. We also know that the 201 came with a 2.6L M103 straight 6. I don't know if it ever came with the 3.2L M104 that was after my time. A V12 is only about 1 inch longer than a straight 6 so we may still be in the ball park there. I have personally measured the M120 and it is 34" long from fan to bell housing mount. It also weighs in at 667 Lb with the 722.6 transmission installed. If you remove the fan its about 2" shorter but that distance will only be taken back up with an electric fan.

Fly Navy's estimate seems high. I spent 40K including the purchase of the two cars and the interior and other mechanical restorations of the 560SL. The actual transplant with car and donor in hand is now at $15K plus $5K for tools and consumables.

I know where theirs an M120 engine for sale.

GO GO GO GO GO GO GO:dancefool

Project is coming along very slowly, but I have a plan in the works to get it on the road in the next couple of months. Work has been way too busy for me to work on a car 2200 miles away ;) Can't wait to see your r107 on the road again BTW, looks like it is really close!

It will be very tight.....the 117 already is extremely tight w/o major modification and it took some really creative headers and "downpipes" to make things work. Not saying it won't fit, just that it probably won't be ideal w/o a lot of work. The major difficulty will be wiring and simply getting all the little things to work......fuel lines, engine cooling, throttle actuator, steering pump, etc. For my project, the details were the hardest and most expensive and time consuming part. Roncallo may be right that my estimate is high, but that is a conservative estimate that you should probably be prepared for. I have paid over 15k for my swap thus far and it is still a roller, where I had originally planned to not spend more than 5k.

Having the new drivetrain is a good start. Should be a cool project if you feel ready to go through with it.


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