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Old 03-12-2002, 09:31 AM
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Same on my 190E 2.0 litre. When stationary, pull the selector back to 2, then into D. The car pulls off in 1st. With a light throttle its in 2nd almost straight away for some reason. I wonder what the logic behind 2nd gear pullaway was......
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Old 03-12-2002, 10:02 AM
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I used to do that when I had the 190E 2.6 for quick getaway. It does shift quickly to 2nd on light throttle, so no point doing it unless you want to accelerate away quickly, like trying to beat that crappy Corolla in a traffic light drag!!
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Old 03-12-2002, 10:41 AM
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Would someone in a Toyota Corrolla actually challenge someone to a race!!???

Maybe the ones you get in the states are different to the ones here in the uk. As generally they arent powerful enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding!!!
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Old 03-12-2002, 10:46 AM
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Both my C43 AMG (other than in the "W" winter mode) and my daughter's 190E Limited Edition (with the factory Sportline) start in first -- the 190E has the Sportline logo on the gearshift, which I assume means that it is modified to start in first normally.
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Old 03-12-2002, 10:50 AM
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I dont think Merc ever really got the gearing right in the 190 auto's. I mean, when cruising at about 70-80 mph the rev counter is on about 3500-4000....which is a bit high really. My previous Ford Granada used to sit at a nice 2500 rpm at 75-80 MPH.....

Maybe im just too fussy!!
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Old 03-13-2002, 05:51 AM
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Matt,

What I meant was if I didn't use the 1st gear starts, a crappy Corolla will probably beat me in a drag, in fact most cars will!!
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Old 03-13-2002, 08:18 AM
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Franj

yeah i know what you mean.....embarassing isnt it!!
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Old 03-13-2002, 04:34 PM
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Matt,

If you want lower RPMs at a given speed (highway/motorway cruising) buy an MB with a larger engine, such as a 190E 2.3 or 190E 2.6. Lower rear end ratio, lower RPMs (maybe 2500 at 60 mph or something) and less noise. More thirsty though.....

My Benz sits at around 2100 rpms at 60 mph....I think 3000 is hit around 80-85 or so...the V8 is very refined and not noticeable at those speeds; I end up hearing a lot more wind noise. Never ridden in a 4-cylinder Benz before so I can only imagine what one must sound like at speed.

However, a friend's 1997 Jetta 2.0 liter automatic turned over 3500 rpms at 80 mph and the engine was very refined even at a high continuous RPM...I'd think a Benz would be even better, with better sound deadening, etc...

-Sam
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Old 03-14-2002, 12:40 AM
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mbnz380se,

The 4-cylinder Mercs are Ok once up and running and are as quiet as any Mercs. I now have a W124 E220, which thankfully starts off in 1st. The 4-cylinders are normally rough and gruff compared to the sixes. Bought mine from a friend at trade-in value, so I put up with it. My V6 Passat makes it all bearable!
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Old 03-14-2002, 08:28 AM
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Mbz...

Yeah i know what you mean. My Granada was a 2.9i V6 24 valve. Lovely car to drive and very quick off the mark, but so bloody expensive to run. At about 45-50 (about $70) for a tank of petrol its not very kind on the wallet.

Its strange though, my old Sierra 2 litre auto was a lot lower revving, it must be just the way the older Mercs are geared.
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I modified my valve body on my european 300e for first gear , took a couple of tries but its perfect now , I also have the sport and economy switch next to the shifter, did I mention it is a 86 model. I have done 2 others for my customers and they love it , I will sell the tranny when we turbo the car cause I am going with a standard tranny instead. Yea dont take that spring out you will really go to 1st (lol) . Any good Mercedes tranny technician can modify it but he better know what he is doing . I dont tell people how I do it , (trade secret). But if you can get one for about 600.00 its a deal cause thats what we charge.
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Old 04-05-2002, 12:01 AM
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1992 and 1993 190E's had first gear start. The sportline option had nothing to do with that. Sportline gives you; smaller diamater steering wheel, quicker ration steering box, larger side bolsters on both front/rear seats, leather interior, sportline logo shift knob, sportline logos on the front fenders, different shocks/springs/swaybars/lower a arms/wheels/tires.

Thats about it, no engine/trans/brakes or rear end updates.
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