I can not find anyone local that does. I linked kynsi's chart to the spec thread. He flowed to 10.5 mm but you can see that it does not increase as much from 9.5-10.5. It seems that we are reaching the point of diminishing returns.

Well I pulled the trigger on the cams. Guess we will see now what the gains are. I have found a few good articles on cam profiles and the difference on 4v heads. The lift necessary to get the same flow seems to be much lower due to the valve curtain. Neat stuff. Durations look good and I have got to try something.

Alright. If I can do 5 sets I can get the cost down to 1000.00 per set plus shipping. I am definitely in for the 1st set already in the works. Anyone else?

My set should be done in a week or two. I will update when they are in.

sounds good, look forward to see the improvement

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'85 190, unrego'd (prospect track car)
'87 190e, manual (kinda rare in australia)
'89 260e

I am also looking at different advance mechanisms. I may try the m119 advance as it only advances 28 degrees. I am going to look at different ones and see. When talking with WEB they think that it might be better with less advance. Especially with the longer duration.

You can try the m104 3.6 AMG one as it advances 26' only.

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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
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That makes sense if the cam has interference issues on advance with more lift and duration. I might just drop the hole thing if the cams do what I want. I will try a few different things.

On myamg the interference is with the pistons if it had more advance. But I can be mistaken

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

That is what I meant. I just read what I wrote and it was very poorly worded.

Worst case would be trying to install ur timing chain one tooth retarded on the intake. Should equate to abt 12 degrees. Take that out of the amount of advance the mech u have has now and u'll be safe.

But u might just end up running the cam advanced for alot longer with that, since ur cams will be already topend oriented and thus running more retard on the cams might shift the power band even further up the rev band.

Mmm don't know. U need to try but it doesn't seem like a good solution, I mean my above proposition :/

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

With ur new cams and springs I guess u will be running higher rev limiter. What rpm will u going for? I don't know how much ur bottom end will take reliably but if u keep it just below 8k u should be fairly safe. On an unbalanced rotating assembly I would keep it at abt 7800 max IMHO.

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Actually I am not going to end up needing springs with this profile. Would have had to go with smaller base circles to get more lift or larger lifter buckets which is not possible. It would of ended up being a few thousand in buckets and springs and then the head work.
Just too much for me right now. I figured I would try these out first. Besides I need new injectors still and some other goodies.
As far as revs goes I am not going above 7,000. I would have to see hp still building really strong at that point to go any further.

so since your not getting springs how much are the cams costing now?

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'85 190, unrego'd (prospect track car)
'87 190e, manual (kinda rare in australia)
'89 260e

Just the cams are 1200.00 and some change. I have been thinking of asking about a regrind with more lift if the base circles were smaller what profiles could we come up with. That would only require springs and lifters and all the dressings. The bucket could stay the same size. Since the exhaust cam base circle in quite a bit smaller than the intake this should be doable. Maybe if these do not do what I want I will go down that road.