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Hex 08-28-2024 02:54 PM

I'm going to attempt to make a set for the W140 that the engine currently resides in, before pulling it out. The steering box is the biggest obstacle. Once the set is finished, I'll probably pull the engine and scrap the car. This will allow me to get a decent base tune as well and do some exhaust note tuning.

The headers will be listed for sale once the engine is out of the car.

Roncallo 08-29-2024 02:06 PM

Definitely post some pictures.

njg187 09-08-2024 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hex (Post 4325195)
Small update:

GM LS truck injectors with injector hats fit directly in place of the stock M120injectors, and are basically free. I had dozens of sets laying around that people were throwing away (LS swaps are huge in this area). They flow about 5% more than the stock injectors and are nearly infinitely replaceable. There are also some in the later years that have newer USCAR/EV6 connectors and flow more than twice what the stock MB injectors did, and are absurdly cheap.
Stock LS1/LS6 injectors will fit without injector hats. They're about 2mm longer than M120 injectors but fit just fine. LS3 injectors fit with injector hats.

Obviously these wouldn't be drop-in on the stock M120 ECUs, but for swaps they are perfect.


just to confirm about the injectors. im having trouble sourcing replacements for the m120. i can use ls ones? but cant drop in on stock ecu ?

cth350 09-08-2024 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by njg187 (Post 4329187)
just to confirm about the injectors. im having trouble sourcing replacements for the m120. i can use ls ones? but cant drop in on stock ecu ?

I've sent you an email. It doesn't answer you question, but it does suggest a better place to ask it, in case it doesn't get seen here. -CTH

Hex 09-18-2024 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by njg187 (Post 4329187)
just to confirm about the injectors. im having trouble sourcing replacements for the m120. i can use ls ones? but cant drop in on stock ecu ?

I can't say for sure. Flow rates are somewhat close. I don't know the difference in resistance values for them or the dead time.

I assume it would indeed run on the cheap LS truck injectors on the stock ECUs, but how close to OEM it would run and how much the difference in resistances would affect the stock ECU are important questions to have answered.

cth350 09-18-2024 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cth350 (Post 4329188)
I've sent you an email. It doesn't answer you question, but it does suggest a better place to ask it, in case it doesn't get seen here. -CTH

That email also offered you the 8 M120 injectors I have here, if that helps you.

-CTH

Hex 09-30-2024 12:45 PM

I'm still here, just busy. I insulated and installed a mini-split in the garage for climate control, and put in a new lift.

I'm close to starting on the headers, I have one other car to finish up first.

Hex 10-05-2024 11:26 AM

I'm about to start on the headers. I'll try to post some pics but mobile photo uploads are disabled on the forum.

Hex 10-05-2024 11:34 AM

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Here, an image of the flanges/collectors at least.

Roncallo 10-15-2024 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hex (Post 4332394)
Here, an image of the flanges/collectors at least.

Nice work.

spud3861 10-29-2024 11:51 AM

I'm glad I found this thread- following with interest.

I am doing an M120 swap into an old Toyota Supra.

I'll be running Maxxecu- don't think I will be able to keep the vvt. I'm interested where you end up with cams. I would love to build a top end for 8k+ redline if that's doable.

I'm going itbs for space reasons and to be able to run a single e-throttle instead of 2.

Not 100% sure if I can make the front sump work or if dry sump will be required. So far bottom of pan hits the sway bar.

If you are posting your progress somewhere else as well I would love to know.

spud3861 10-29-2024 12:13 PM

I got to wondering if there was a Facebook group for folks modifying the M120 or swapping it into other vehicles- I couldn’t find any, so I just created one. I’m the only member so far but don’t be shy if you want to join

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/iK4WSBAs19DhnLsb/?mibextid=K35XfP

Hex 11-05-2024 02:38 PM

I have 3 other cars I'm trying to get finished before it gets too cold, then I'll be starting up on this one again. The front of the car is torn down enough for me to get started on the headers, but I haven't made a move on it just yet.

The VVT is just on/off. If you can do custom tables in Maxx then it should be easy to control it.

ITBs are great, but with the downside of complexity.

Sway bars can be changed to a different style or relocated.

I have some options for cams right now, from easiest to most difficult:
-Pay Gooichi a small fortune for cams ($4k/set to start IIRC).
-Find a cam grinder in the US that will regrind them (I've found several potential candidates, $1200-1800).
-Ship them to the existing regrinders in Germany to have them done and shipped back (dbilas or Renntech, $1400-200).
-Reconfigure the timing chain to run on top of the intake cams instead of underneath, allowing use of M104 cams which are more readily available.

Hex 12-09-2024 03:28 PM

I've decided not to build headers for the W140, as it is just too much of a pain for such little benefit. The M120 will be coming out of the car soon, and onto the stand.

Roncallo 12-15-2024 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spud3861 (Post 4334282)
I got to wondering if there was a Facebook group for folks modifying the M120 or swapping it into other vehicles- I couldn’t find any, so I just created one. I’m the only member so far but don’t be shy if you want to join

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/iK4WSBAs19DhnLsb/?mibextid=K35XfP

I just joined


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