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Old 08-11-1999, 10:31 AM
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It is obvious to me that the min. weight set for 190e's in ITS is waaay too high. If you look at the old IMSA rulebook there was a class called "international sedan", very similar to IT-club rules and the 190 2.6 only had to weigh 2600# w/driver in that series. Currently if you race in SCCA pro-series "world challenge or speedvision cup" a 190 has to weigh only 2550# w/driver. Maybe,if we get a group of 190 racers together and write a letter as a group to the comp board, they can correct the weight and put it in "errors and omissions" in fasttrack news so that it's implemented immediately. My 16 valve would not be affected by this change since it isn't eligible for ITS but my dad's 190 2.6 is a totally legit ITS car forced to compete in ITE because it is too light even with the allowed 100# of ballast. His car weighs in at about 2650 w/driver. I think we should try to get the 190 2.3 & 2.6 on a more "even" playing field. With 200+hp z-cars eveywhere there is no reason for the 190s to be so heavy. Both cars need an easy 200# weight reduction. What do you guys think?

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Old 08-11-1999, 08:20 PM
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Alvin this is Bill T. from C&B Racing ,I've talked to you about 190's in SCCA about two years ago.I', from the panhandle of Fla. and have been racing a 2.3 ITS 190 for about 3 yrs. now. I agree with tou 100%, Ihave no idea how the comp board comes up with weights and classes.Talk about back of the pack. M.B.Doc and myself have recently written the comp board about this.It seems that if enough voices are heard they'll do something about it. I'm building a 2.6 for next year ,It would be nice to build it at about 2650 intsead of 2880.If you write them, we're trying to get the 2.3 moved to ITA or even ITB. The 2.3 will run with everything in ITA,with a good chance to win a few .Nice talking to you and I hope we can get more 190's on the track. Bill T. C&B Racing
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Old 08-11-1999, 11:18 PM
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Hi Bill,I remember talking to you about rear gear machining. My 3;92 locked diff has been working great for three years. Moving the 2.3 into ITA or B is a great idea. I'll add that to my proposal to the comp board. As far as being heard in numbers, do you have any idea how many 190's are currently competing? I know of 7 at this time, they are me, my dad, Mike at potomac, Rick E at a shop somewhere in D.C. area, you, MBDOC,and some guy in Ohio I think. What about farther west? Maybe it would be worth placing a small ad in sportscar magazine about this forum to see if we can locate all of the 190 racers? With the permission of the moderators/owners of this site, I would do it if everyone thinks it's a good idea. The ad could read something like.
<<Attention all IT class Mercedes competitors. Join the 190e racers at http:etcetc.com for support, tech info, and rule proposals today.>>
Like I said, If I have the ok from(heck, I'm so new I don't even know whose approval I need). I'd be willing to spend a couple of bucks in sportscar announcing the presence of this site.

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Old 08-12-1999, 12:24 AM
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I'm the Webmaster of this site and the President of MercedesShop.com, LLC. We support your idea. If you want to place an ad in Sportscar to bring some fellow Mercedes racers over here to the Performance Paddock to discuss SCCA rules, we have no issue with that.

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Old 08-12-1999, 07:24 AM
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Thank you, I'll get the ad sent in this week.
The ad should be in the Oct. issue. Hopefully we can bring some more racers and enthusiasts to the forum.
Happy motoring, Alain
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Old 09-13-1999, 11:30 PM
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I just got the Oct. 99 issue of sportscar magazine today. The Ad for the forum is on page 60 in the IT cars section. Let's hope we can get some more racers out there interested in joining and helping with rule (weight) changes and tech advice.
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Old 09-14-1999, 12:33 PM
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Old 09-19-1999, 10:52 AM
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Alain Bill T. from C&B Racing. We sent our requests in to the comp board. They met I, think Aug. 31,MB Doc called a few days later and talked to one of the two tech guys.He said the board discussed the the move to ITA ,ITB saw merit in the request, where going to look in to it ( crunch the numbers hp,weight,and decide at there next meeting at the end of SEPT. Did you send in anything yet on the 2.6 weight? Thats next on my list. They seemed to be impressed that only two of us showed concern about the 190's just think if 20 or so wrote in.I hope the ad in Sportscar creates more interest. Bill T.
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Old 09-19-1999, 10:24 PM
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The ad also has my phone# at the shop if anyone had any questions or isn't online. I haven't heard from anyone yet or seen any new posts on the forum. I am still waiting to see if any one will join us on the weight issue so that we can send the requests in a about the same time. I'm hoping to be able to put it in "errors and omissions" so that the new weight limit would be effective immediately, but that point is probably moot as the 99 season is nearly over anyways. If I have any news, I'll let you know.
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Old 09-29-1999, 07:40 AM
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Alain and Bill,
I just recently purchased a 190e 2.3 fro ITS racing. I will spend this off-season building and preparing it for next season. I have never raced a mercedes (only BMW) so I could use any and all advice on preparations to the car. I got the web site from the October Sportscar, and was very glad to see there was a place for interested people. You can email me back at mahlmann23@aol.com
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Old 09-29-1999, 09:41 PM
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Justin, welcome! I'm glad you decided to join us. As you can see from the other comments on this thread, we are trying to get racers to write to the national office in order to reclassify the 190 2.3 into ITA or ITB, and get the high weight limit reduced to a more competitive level. The good news is that the 190 doesn't need much to make a superb handling racecar and it has much better brakes than most of the competition. Horsepower (especially w/2.3) is the toughest part as there is not exactly alot of speed equipment on the us market for them. But, I'm sure that the combined knowledge and experience of the few(but determined) racers here, we should be able to come up with a few power making tips.
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Old 10-06-1999, 02:49 PM
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Guys,
> I'm with you. I'm in the process of building a 190E 2.6 and agree on the
> weight. I'd be glad to write a letter to Denver since they usually
> respond when they've gotten more than a handful on the same subject.
> Cany you post any specific references to the international sedan weight
> that we could point them towards?
> Chuck
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Old 10-06-1999, 07:26 PM
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Chuck, the 1990 IMSA CODE competition rulebook has the international sedan eligibility list on page 52. It lists the 190 2.3 min weight at 2550.The 190 2.6 min weight is listed at2325! Yes, that is correct,IMSA listed the 2.6 at a lighter weight than the 2.3. Probably because Rick Hurst in oklahoma was campaigning a 2.3 16-valve back then. If that doesn't convince them (national), I have the 1997 SCCA PRO RACING world challenge appendix A (touring 2 class) eligibility list and it has all mercedes 190's at 2550/with driver! This is a document direct from scca pro racing series! I can scan and e-mail copies if you want them. Please, please write national too. By now they must be starting to notice that there is more than one or two 190 competitors in the club! Maybe someone with good writing skills can make one letter for national that we all can sign and put our membership #'s on?

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