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Old 08-04-2006, 06:34 AM
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I previously purchased a wheel painting kit from **************.Com and now I just received a wet sandblasting accessory for my electric consumer model "Kaercher" High Pressure washer pump. My intention is to do something like Jeremy did but timing it such that I'm ready to put on new tires soon after the wheels are finished.

Q - Do any of you know about what blast media I should use to prepare these aluminum-alloy wheel? Kaercher sells the accessory and their only instructions is a single picture on the box!

Regards,
Sam

Hi Sam,

for blast media I used fine sand (also with the Kaercher). Works fine, but needs time. The surface is not too rough due to the wet process.
Professionals use glas pearls or nut shell granulat in a dry process. Little better surface but expensive.
BTW, the dust of this sand is dangerous when dry blasted.

The steel rims were blasted by a professional with special material (korund) and cost only 7$/each.
I will take my alus there just before the guy will change the blasting media (the small edges get round by wearing, at this time it will less/not harm the alus).

Sam, in the background I am working on the other story

Tom

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Old 08-04-2006, 08:44 AM
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Good to hear from you Tom...

and thanks for your information about blast media and your use of wet sandblasting. The box that my wet sandblasting accessory came in has a picture graphic including two part numbers that must be associated with blast media...
P/N - 6.280-105 and
P/N - 6.280-106
but when I ask Karcher.Com about here in the U.S. about these P/N(s), they don't even respond. Of course I have "browsed" by computer InterNet both the German and U.S. WebSite and still no information on these P/N(s).

I have found considerable information about many different blast medium [ sand etc.] but none of them specific to wet blasting or aluminum-alloy wheels.

Too bad your German countrymen there at Kaercher did NOT do a better job of marketing this accessory... or Auf Deutsch :

"Auch erledigte Schlechtes deine deutschen Landsmänner dort bei Kaercher NICHT eine bessere Arbeit des Marketings dieses Zusatzgerät."

Best regards Tom,
Sam
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Old 08-04-2006, 08:55 AM
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Rather than start another thread, I'll post here what I did at home for a few dollars. Two of the Bundt cake-pan wheels on my W123 were OK, two were pretty bad. I didn't want to pay a lot of money and have them gone and the car undriveable for who knows how long. I even thought of buying or borrowing a couple of wheels to use while mine were gone.

Finally, I decided to try painting them myself. What the heck -- I couldn't make the situation worse, right? First, I took the DuPont color number G8081 (from someone on this forum) to Hawley's Paint here in Santa Rosa. They mixed up a pint of DuPont "Centari" acrylic enamel and put some of it in a spray can for me. I also bought a spray can of enamel clearcoat.

At home, I removed the wheels and scrubbed them -- 409 cleaner, steel wool, light sandpaper, etc., and a nasty solvent called "water" (dissolves almost anything). After the wheels dried, I started masking. First, a layer of masking tape, which did not stick well to the rubber tire. Good thing I don't use Armour-All, the tape would not have stuck at all! Then I wrapped the tire and wheel in plastic and cut an opening, taping the plastic to the first layer of tape. Photo #1 shows the result.

Photo #2 shows a closeup of how bad the wheels were and also the plastic tube that I stuck over the valve stem. Once the masking was done, I put an old cardboard box (conveniently the right size, 24"x24") over the tire and wheel to act as a mini-spray booth (I was painting in the driveway). Then I sprayed on the paint (see photo #3).

The paint was allowed to dry overnight and I then applied the clearcoat. It crinkled the color in a couple of places; I probably should have waited another day (patience is not my thing). While the clearcoat was drying, I cleaned the (cadmium plated) lug bolts with 0000 steel wool and Mothers Aluminum and Mag Polish and clearcoated them.

The result, shown in photo #4, cost about $45 for two wheels and there was enough to do all four if I had needed to. The color match is somewhere between "very close" and "identical." Tonight the wheels go back on the car and tomorrow I drive it.

Jeremy
Thank you very much for posting! I don't have much money to dump in the car, but for $45 and nice looking wheels I think I can do it!
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:56 AM
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Color Chart

Since we're on powder coating, help me out with a color chart (have access to get my wheels done in this stuff for essentially free.) The electronic version really does look like crap, but go to the last page of the brouchure and check out the three silvers towards the bottom. Which one would you think is best for the benz, the "Silver Metallic 70% Gloss*" or the "Silver Metallic 30% Gloss*"

http://www.cardinalpaint.com/a_img/PowderBrochure.pdf

You know, the more I look at this online, it just looks like *&#$. You'd think a company that does nothing other than sell color coatings would try harder to make their color charts accurate. Heck, a jpg of the actual brochure would have been a better idea. At least then you'd see a picture of the real thing, not an electronic representation.
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Old 08-04-2006, 10:15 AM
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Kaercher info

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Originally Posted by Samuel M. Ross
and thanks for your information about blast media and your use of wet sandblasting. The box that my wet sandblasting accessory came in has a picture graphic including two part numbers that must be associated with blast media...
P/N - 6.280-105 and
P/N - 6.280-106
but when I ask Karcher.Com about here in the U.S. about these P/N(s), they don't even respond. Of course I have "browsed" by computer InterNet both the German and U.S. WebSite and still no information on these P/N(s).

I have found considerable information about many different blast medium [ sand etc.] but none of them specific to wet blasting or aluminum-alloy wheels.

Too bad your German countrymen there at Kaercher did NOT do a better job of marketing this accessory... or Auf Deutsch :

"Auch erledigte Schlechtes deine deutschen Landsmänner dort bei Kaercher NICHT eine bessere Arbeit des Marketings dieses Zusatzgerät."

Best regards Tom,
Sam

Sam,

here we are. I gave a call to Kaercher and will get even more info.

Tom
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Old 08-04-2006, 10:30 AM
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I have a lead on some guy out here ......an outrageous price of $12 per wheel. .
Where is "out here" ??

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Old 08-04-2006, 11:26 PM
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Eureka... I think I have found something...

that looks like an appropriate blast media for preparing these aluminum-alloy wheels for painting. Take a look at these two links from Harbor Freight:

http://da.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=blast+media

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92155

The first includes the 2nd where as the 2nd is what I think I need. Now the question as to whether
" 24 Grit walnut shell blast media " will work or just gum up my wet sandblasting accessory that fits onto my 1500 PSI consumer model high-pressure washer. Anyone out there know... how about you Tom over in Stuttgart... do you have a response from a factory source?

Sam
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Old 08-05-2006, 12:09 AM
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Double Eureka...

What would we do without the InterNet. This time I have found a great WebSite for blast media that is specifically for "wet blasting" at:

http://www.thomasnet.com/products/abrasives-wet-blasting-150409-1.html

Where there are 15 different manufacturers/suppliers and 9 of these have their own website to further research the subject.

I still think the 25 lbs of 24-grit walnut shells at Harbor Freight will be hard to beat.

Sam
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Old 08-05-2006, 12:28 AM
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....My intention is to do something like Jeremy did but timing it such that I'm ready to put on new tires soon after the wheels are finished....
This is a lose-lose situation, unfortunately. If you paint the wheels with the tires on, you can't do quite as good a job. If you take the tires off and then paint the wheels, you can do a much better job but risk having the new paint damaged in the tire mounting process.

I would imagine that powder coating would provide the hardest surface and most resistant to damage, although more expensive. For those of us who don't want to spend that much money, mounting the new tires and then painting the wheels would seem to be the way to go. My existing tires should be good for a few more years; if the wheels get dinged up in mounting new ones, I'll just repaint again.

Incidentally, the lug bolts on my two "good" wheels now look terrible in comparison to the others, so I will have to polish and clearcoat them, too. Maybe this weekend after I mount the oil pan skid plate.
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Thanks for the heads up, Olympic Powder Coating seems near enough for a visit.
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Post Some Pictures Of Those Wheels Guys!
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:41 PM
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" motolust " and others... photos [ before, during and after ]...

will be part of my project... but this will not likely happen for another 2 weeks. I just picked up 25 lbs of #25 grit walnut shells for my attempt to prepare the wheels by using a consumer model high-pressure washer with wet-blasting accessory attachment. If this works on the 300D, then we will likely use it on the 300SD as well which has the same wheels.

Judging from reading an earlier POST on this THREAD, I should make sure I allow for adequate drying time between the primer and paint.

In looking at the products in the kit I purchased from **************.Com I have:

(1) a U.S. made primer called "Hi-Build" [high solids content] from Crest Industries, and
(2) the paint is also U.S. made from "Dupli-Color" with color name/code that is "T178 Silver (M) CC".

Q1 - Anyone have first hand experience with this kit/these products ?
Q2 - What about "clearcoat" ?

Especially if I also need to apply a clearcoat, this process could take much more time than I originally thought... so swaping out the spare to allow time to work on one wheel at at time might be the way to go!

Maybe I should ask **************.Com about clearcoat!?

Oh, for reference I looked into two different local specialty shops that do this kind of work... one grit blasts the wheel in a small box type unit and uses air-dry primer & paint and the other blasts, primes and then uses electrostatic dry coats which is then baked on. I didn't know to ask about clearcoat but their prices were such [ $65-75/wheel ] that I decided to invest the $50 in the wet sand-blaster accessory for my Kaercher 1500 PSI electric pressure washer. The wahser has been useful for so many projects, thus I'm hopeful the wet-blaster accessory works out too.

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Old 08-05-2006, 05:39 PM
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Just an FYI, these guys sell the paint:
http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?&SKU=20229
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Q2 - What about "clearcoat" ?
I took the silver paint that the store had mixed for me and asked them to sell me a clearcoat that would "get along" with the color. They grabbed a can of clear spray enamel off of the shelf and said it would work fine. And it did, except for my failure to wait long enough (less than a day, two or three days would have been better) between color and clear.
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Status report on Wet Sandblasting "PREP" for MBZ wheels...

This is preliminary update on my ongoing project... and to recap what it is, I have a "Kaercher" electric 1500 psi high pressure washer and thought I might use it along with Karcher's $50 wet sandblasting accessory to prepare the wheels from my Son's '80 300D for painting. If things go well on the 300D, then I will do the same for the '85 300SD. I already have a kit for the painting part from **************.Com. My MBZ private mechanic friend has loaned me use of two of these same wheels in return for returning two that I have cleaned/blasted/& refinished... this way I do not have to disable my Son's car or rush through the work. Here are my lessons learned:

(a) Walnut Shells - Well I have picked up some inexpensive #24 walnut shells and gave them a try... and just as "Tomnik" said about fine grit sand in one of his POSTS, the stripping goes slow and with walnut shells it's really slow. I tried this on the outside only of one of the two loaner wheels. This result is NOT worth showing a "pic" of!
(b) Course Sand - My local landscape materials dealer gave me a 5-gal paint pail of his finest sand product so I figured I would give this a try but first only on the backside of these wheels as I don't think I'll be painting there anyhow. Sorry, but I don't have a "pic" of what the wheels looked like before I blasted but I think most of you know what 300K miles of road dirt and grim looks like. Attached is a "low res" picture of the after result. The course sand did a more than adequate job of cleaning up the surfaces here that solvent and high-pressure water alone would not clean.
(c) Sand Grits (no NOT to eat!) - I have discovered that there are at least 2 grades of ordinary bagged construction grade sand... " 0/30 " which is a very fine grade and a candidate for taking over from my walnut shells to clean the finished outside surfaces of these first 2 wheels. There is also a " 2/12 " grade which is about the same courseness as the FREEbie sand my landscape company gave me [ yes he asked me to report back as to how it worked out]. My guess is that he would charge $1-$2 per 5 gallon pail which I figure is enough to blast away decades of dirt and grim from 3 or 4 wheels. My project has now grown to 6 wheels.
(d) Where to Next - Well I will examine closely the inside surfaces I have blasted with the course sand and make a decision as to whether to use on the outside finished surfaces the “ 0/30 ” fine grit sand. My original paint kit from **************.Com uses a primer that has a heavy dose of “solids” and because I plan to use primer, paint and clear coat, I figure such triple-coatings should fill any pitting the fine sand might cause.

So that’s where I’m at until I start priming/painting/clearcoating… making sure I allow plenty of time to let each application dry. Oh yes, I found that the same brand of paint is available at Kragen Autoparts locally for ~$6/can and they also carry a clear coat in the same brand/line of paints.
See photo of back-side cleaning with course sand.
Until the next report,
Sam
Oh yes – Tomnik, Did you get any answers from Kaercher?

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