1999 Mercedes-Benz E300 Turbo Diesel W/ Elsbett Vegi-Oil (WVO) One tank Kit w/ 100 gallons of fuel
-This is a fast, comfortable, fuel efficient, safe car that runs on vegetable oil.
- 1999 Mercedes-Benz Turbo Diesel
-Professionally installed complete elsbett one tank vegi-oil kit. Kit allows the car to run on any combination of vegetable oil, bio-diesel, or regular old #2 petro-diesel. Kit installed less than 6k miles ago, included heated fuel filter, temp sensor, and lots other things.
- EPA fuel economy ratings of 26 City and 36 Highway! And it’s a big, comfortable, fast sedan!
-I’m including 103 gallons of professionally treated waste vegetable oil. If all highway driving that means you won’t buy fuel for this car for 3,700 miles of driving!
- I have personally gotten 700 miles out of a tank.
- 191,2xx miles – Almost all highway – previous owner commuted between Indianapolis and Oklahoma City. I walk to work, and only take the car on shopping trips once a week, and on long road trips.
- Southern car, seen one winter, though rarely!
NEW Parts less than 9k ago include:
* New Engine and Transmission Mounts
* Rebuilt Injectors
*All new fuel lines
* New – upgraded spec Glow Plugs, all 6
*New glow plug relay
*Intake manifold gasket, all injector gaskets
*Radiator cap
*Thermostat
* Coolant temp sensor
* Major transmission service, diagnostic, and repair
* New climate control parts, diagnostic, and repair
* All new dash bulbs, instrument cluster, and vents.
*OEM size Snow tires (Dunlop Graspix less that 6k old)
* New Fuel filters less than 500 miles ago.
*Battery 20 k ago
*Alignment 20 k ago
*Alternator41k ago
- Very Complete Service history with lots of paperwork from original and second owner and myself (Dealer serviced for virtually all of its life)
- All manuals, tools, full size spare, factory first aide kit, and even original window sticker included.
- Clean Carfax
-Custom Performance Tune – 50 more horsepower than stock, same MPG (so long as you don’t floor it all the time)
- 3 inch Performance cat-back exhaust –( stock axel back and muffler included if you want to change it back)
- Professionally installed performance gauges. Boost, exhaust gas temp (pyrometer), and transmission temperature. All gauges in center stack, and can be covered with stock panel, very nice install see pics. Gauges are Auto-Meter carbon fiber faced mechanical gauges.
- Side curtain airbags front and rear passengers
- Side impact airbags front and rear passengers
- Front impact airbags (driver and passenger)
- Seatbelt impact protection pre-tensioners
- Excellent traction control (can be turned on and off, really amazing in the snow, you would never know the car was rear wheel drive!)
-One of the safest cars ever built, look it up!
-Premium Bose 10-speaker audio
-6 disc Changer, AM, FM, Weather-band, Tape
Issues:
-Small dent and paint scuff over rear wheel well
-A few small dents here and there, less than 6 on the whole car
-Quite a few rock chips on hood
- long paint chip by gas tank cover 2 inches or less
- A few very small stains on interior, really hard to see, but still there
- One fog light cracked, but still works well
** 17,000 or Best Offer** I know this price is high, I'm willing to accept any reasonable offer.

It’s a very nice car, located in Madison, WI.

I'm selling it becaue I don't use it much, and I want to buy a house and could use the money. I have invested more than 24k into this project including the origional purchase of the car, my loss will be someones gain.

Questions- email, or call me. ralyrcr@gmail.com 608 215 5592

Thanks in advance for your interst, and comments!





Lots more pics in my autotrader ad:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=240125394&dealer_id=62161323&reset_crumbs=y

17,000.00 obo

If you're real lucky you can remove it before it ruins the engine too.

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Marty D.

2013 C300 4Matic
1984 BMW 733i
2013 Lincoln MKz

Thank you for the helpful comment. I appreciate your concerns over Vegi-oil kits and would love to have the chance to discuss their merits and drawbacks with you, however your opinions are not helpful in this setting. I personally feel as though the kit will never destroy my engine, and have several fellow co-op members who have run vegi-oil for literally hundreds of thousands of miles with no observable decrease in engine life. Meanwhile I have seen newer low-sulfur diesel blends play havoc on various engines. There is no doubt that fuel can have a serious effect on an engines operating life. However there is a lot of evidence to suggest a high quality and properly installed vegi-oil kit will not damage an engine. The car is parked in a heated garage, and has more than adequate heating mechanisms to ensure that the vegi oil is at the proper viscosity so that chemically, and physically it operates in an nearly identical fashion to petro-diesel. I invite you to do some more research about Vegi-oil, its viscosity and volatility vs. temperature curve before you post a single sentence response to a car for sale ad that may have a detrimental outcome to the vehicles sale. Is there a reason why you felt it necessary to make a negative comment on my ad? Do you have a personal ax to grind on this subject that required you to post your comment?

I would appreciate a little courtesy, and also to let potential buyers to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.


Additionally petro-diesel is currently about twice the price of professionally treated and certified WVO. With crude topping 109 a barrel just yesterday this cost disparity is only going to continue to grow, at some point EVEN IF there is some measurable decrease in engine life, you will need to run a cost benefit analysis as to what will wear within an engine, and what the cost of a potential repair would cost versus the fuel cost savings.

I think we can probably agree that this is a very complicated issue, and not easily addressed in a single line. Please feel free to engage in this conversation in a more appropriate forum area.



Thank you.

Come now - let's be reasonable. Why can't this be discussed here? Tell us how much you paid for this ad?

Nhdoc knows these cars inside and out and is merely responding with his free opinion.

I honestly doubt that a potential buyer, interested in a WVO system would be deterred by some opposing opinions....only to be used as leverage in lowering your asking price?

It's a controversial topic on here - and those of us that have spent some time on here, know that. From what I've heard, elsbett is the best WVO system out there....but do some research on here (since you just joined) and gain some insight into the demographics of the group. This isn't infopop - this is primarily a group of hardcore MB guys/gals trying to preserve these old (in your case, new) cars.

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1981 240d - 135k - Arlene

Let's discuss the merits of someone who joins a technical forum, contributes nothing to it and uses it for free marketing of a car that's had its fuel system hacked to burn vegetable oil and gets touchy when someone dares to criticize them.

Let's look at the count...you have 3 posts, all on this thread and I have nearly 2600, most contributing technically to the board, as it is intended.

This really isn't the best board to look for lots of support for SVO and WVO conversions, but you wouldn't know that since you just joined it to sell your car here.

And, yeah, its overpriced too. With 191K miles you'd be lucky to see $13K-$14K for that car without the VO conversion...and, if you think anyone here would pay a premium for it then you really don't know this board well.

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Marty D.

2013 C300 4Matic
1984 BMW 733i
2013 Lincoln MKz

WVO? Start by knocking off 25 - 35% off what a normal car would sell for and start there.

That's a cost you're never going to recover.

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1998 W210 diesel (wiped out by a texter)
Baum spring compressor "for rent"

All fair criticism. I did join this board in order to sell my car. However I’m an avid BBS user, and have read many discussions on this site; aka I'm aware of the ongoing WVO/SVO debate on this board.

I have been very straight forward in telling perspective buyers that I'm asking too much for the car as a starting point, and have repeatedly asked for any and all reasonable offers.

“Come now - let's be reasonable. Why can't this be discussed here? Tell us how much you paid for this ad?”

The reasoning is simple; I’m using this dedicated “sell your car” section of the site. I’m not posting in a discussion forum to talk about the merits of WVO, and I feel as though it is disrespectful to “sandbag” someone else’s car for sale ad with your personal opinion. If you don’t like vegi-oil that’s your personal prerogative, however it’s very rude to try and imply that my engine is going to be "ruined" as nhdoc said. I’m not trying to suggest that Nhdoc’s opinion is not well though out and reasoned, or that he doesn’t know these cars inside and out. I have no reason to doubt his qualifications, but I do question his motives and manners. Although I’m really not concerned about his post on my particular ad I just feel as though its rude, and poor etiquette at the very least. I absolutely respect the mission of many on this site to promote MB ownership, care, and in the end preservation of cars that I personally love. I just don’t see how his statement furthers any of these goals.

“Let's discuss the merits of someone who joins a technical forum, contributes nothing to it and uses it for free marketing of a car that's had its fuel system hacked to burn vegetable oil and gets touchy when someone dares to criticize them. Let's look at the count...you have 3 posts, all on this thread and I have nearly 2600, most contributing technically to the board, as it is intended.”

I would be happy to engage in this discussion. As I have owned this car I have referred to this site many times, and read many discussions on many aspects of my car. The site has been helpful, and I have never felt the need to contribute my fairly amateur opinions to any of the discussions. I didn’t personally feel as though my use of this site for its very specific marketing was inappropriate, I would have been happy to pay to advertise to such a MB friendly group, but it was never asked to do so. I did however pay for listings on many other sites. I sincerely appreciate this free service, and hope to use it in a respectful manner; I had expected the same from other users. This site has forums to discuss technical issues I did not post this ad in those sections; I posted it here where the discussion is geared to help people looking for cars to find those who are trying to sell them. I also don’t appreciate your tone aka “fuel system hacked to burn vegetable oil and gets touchy”. My car is not hacked, it was professionally done, and done very well. I’m also not trying to be touchy, I’m calling out a user on a rude post, pure and simple.

“This really isn't the best board to look for lots of support for SVO and WVO conversions, but you wouldn't know that since you just joined it to sell your car here.”

As I said before I know because I have been reading the site on and off for more than a year. I’m aware of the debate, but still feel it has an appropriate time and place. If you dislike people joining just to post a car fore sale maybe you could contact the site administration and ask them to institute a policy of only allowing users that exceed a certain number of posts to place and ad such as this on the site. I’m not looking for support, just some respect. Like I said before if you don’t like WVO your more than welcome to engage in that discussion elsewhere on the site, and be respectful of those of us trying to sell our cars.

I hope this can remain a civil discussion.

I may be rude sometimes, I realize that, if so, I'm sorry. I do think we're being civilized, though. Nobody wants to debate the merits of WVO on the for sale board - I was simply trying to tell you in a not-so-subtle way that this really isn't the best place to market your car. Plus, the idea of being a newbie whose first post is a "for sale" immediately sends up a big red flag to everyone here as well.

If you are a fan of the site, that's great. Everyone here is happy to help in any way we can, technically. You car looks really nice, in fact the additional gauges look great. I'm being honest when I say that there probably isn't anyone on this board who would buy that car though and its only because there generally is a feeling here - right or wrong - that conversion of these cars to burn WVO is bad for them. Good luck with your sale, like I said it is a very nice looking car.

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Marty D.

2013 C300 4Matic
1984 BMW 733i
2013 Lincoln MKz

I appreciate your response, I understand the negative feeling towards WVO, and i looked into it extensively myself before choosing to do the conversion. I understand that to every modification there are pluses and negatives. I didn’t mean to over react, I appreciate your continued dialog on the subject. I understand that I’m unlikely to sell this car here, and perhaps it doesn’t even mater seeing as I have a buyer coming for a test drive in the next few days, and plenty of calls and email from my various other ads. I'm just always erked to see these kind of posts on users’ car for sale ads. If you were to see something that a lot of users would not notice, like “oh' look at the fender gap”, or hint of overspray, or dishonest tactics that’s one thing. General negativity just bothers me. Thanks for your good wishes, and keep it up this is an excellent MB site. I'm sure when I choose own a car again, there is a high likelihood that it will be a Benz, and that I again will come to this site for help and advise!

BTW I thoroughly read this board for WVO arguments as well as many others, I think that your concerns are well founded, and I certainly want anyone who might decide to purchase this car to know that WVO is a technology whos widespread use is in its infancy, and as such carries risks.

If you don't have something nice to say - say nothing at all. If you are not interested in the car- then don't post negative comments. If the seller is misrepresenting the car like Jimmy of the thread of the year did, then let's get to the bottom of it. If you don't like the mods the owner of the car did... so what? NHdoc you are out of line.

Another Jimmy I hope......

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Jimmy L.
'05 Acura TL 6MT
2001 ML430 My Spare

Gone:
'95 E300 188K "Batmobile" Texas Unfriendly Black
'85 300TD 235K "The Wagon" Texas Friendly White
'80 240D 154K "China" Scar engine installed
'81 300TD 240K "Smash"
'80 240D 230K "The Squash"
'81 240D 293K"Scar" Rear ended harder than Elton John

Yah - Bingo Brad or whatever his real name was.....James, I think? He was creating aliases, mis-representing the car and generally behaving like a clown and he was under the Mshop microscope. I'd link the thread but I'm too lazy. I did buy a bunch of his CD's though.

MTU - Nhdoc did apologize.....I suppose I should too. I didn't think what he said was all that bad - it IS an open forum and frankly, I'm glad he studies all these ads. He's like having our own personal carfax for mercedes on here.

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1981 240d - 135k - Arlene

MTU is absolutely right, Posting BS negative comments about a fairly represented car is petty and not in the spirit of this forum.

So what if he registered here to sell his car, theres NO rules against that...thats quite a shabby little comment and has NO bearing on the car.

The peanut gallery here in the for sale section really pisses me off. I can't believe that I'm leaning toward emailing the Mods... first time EVER.

Thanks to all who make this one of the worst places to sell a Benz.

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Robert

You're absolutely right, there is no rule against registering to post a car for sale and in hindsight I should have just kept my opinions on VO conversions to myself. Lesson learned, won't happen again. If the guy wants to delete the entire thread and repost it I will refrain from commenting on it.

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Marty D.

2013 C300 4Matic
1984 BMW 733i
2013 Lincoln MKz