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Old 04-20-2014, 01:14 PM
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'86 300D stick shift = Rare car?

First off, I have no connection to the seller, I just spotted this on eBay.
Seller is fairly generous with the four letter word, Rare. I see that used more frequently with respect to Mercedes lately but in this case I believe he is correct, only odd thing is the TURBO badge on the trunk. It does have manual seats but they aren't cloth. Speaking of seats this car could sure use a new interior and I wonder if the covers for the manual seat are the same as electric seats?

I'm pretty sure this was a special order, making it possibly one of a kind at least here in NA but there probably are a few like this in Europe, as taxis maybe?

One thing though, the VIN# may make it hard to obtain insurance because ins companies all use the same database as car registration does and if the car was bought in Europe and brought back under their special program the original owner would have some paperwork to file to register it in the state they live in.

Mercedes Benz 300 Series Euro W124 300D 6 Cyl Diesel w 5 Speed Manual | eBay


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Old 04-20-2014, 02:05 PM
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Not rare over on this side of the water - about as common as the wear on the driver's seat in fact!
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:37 PM
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Note that the trunk badge isn't quite true - that model is not turbocharged.

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Old 04-20-2014, 03:28 PM
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There is a good discussion (mostly my ranting) on the word RARE in the vintage section. Worth a read, I hate that word.

If you want to get down to it, that car is massively more common than 300D Turbo actually.

Its a neat car, but for all the time he took to write that add he could have washed the damn car. That car is FILTHY. Love stupid details like the hood release just hanging down. Its held in with two screws, takes 15-20 seconds to fix, but instead he spent 3 hours on that long winded ad.

Nothing about it is special order, it is uncommon to see a euro car spec'd with leather and automatic climate control, but all manual windows. Most Euro cars have cloth of MB Tex that I have seen, even my 200TD has power front seats and power front windows but Tex and manual climate control.
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:07 PM
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Meh all it is is a low HP stripped out W124 with a stick, and its beat.

Not a desirable model at all in my book.

Your better off with a US spec diesel W124 that's not trashed.

I have driven just about every NA diesel MB built and IMHO I wouldn't own any of them, to slow compared to the turbo charged models. The NA 603 is a dog without a blower, I drove one in a G and it was painful.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:08 PM
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another thing that bothers me, now that I looked back at the 25+ pictures the seller posted, including 3 of the bottom side thanks very much that is often overlooked by sellers BUT not a single pic of the engine bay... must be really trashed! thanks for all the comments.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:27 PM
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This is the second auction in the past month for this car. Wonder if the last buyer came to get it and it was a wreck...
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Old 04-20-2014, 08:28 PM
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Note that the trunk badge isn't quite true - that model is not turbocharged.

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Yup, he mentions that.
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There is a good discussion (mostly my ranting) on the word RARE in the vintage section. Worth a read, I hate that word.
I'll look for it. I've come to hate the word... it is so misapplied.
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Meh all it is is a low HP stripped out W124 with a stick, and its beat.

Not a desirable model at all in my book.

Your better off with a US spec diesel W124 that's not trashed.

I have driven just about every NA diesel MB built and IMHO I wouldn't own any of them, to slow compared to the turbo charged models. The NA 603 is a dog without a blower, I drove one in a G and it was painful.
It's worn in accordance with its age, but not trashed.

Not everybody needs 150 HP . I'd be happy with this car.
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another thing that bothers me, now that I looked back at the 25+ pictures the seller posted, including 3 of the bottom side thanks very much that is often overlooked by sellers BUT not a single pic of the engine bay... must be really trashed! thanks for all the comments.
He has 3-4 engine bay pics, and it doesn't look too bad.
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This is the second auction in the past month for this car. Wonder if the last buyer came to get it and it was a wreck...
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We're having to re-list this Mercedes. We' apologize to all the serious bidders out there. A lot of time was lost waiting for a buyer to honor his commitment.
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:50 PM
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Damn rough crowd.

OM603 NA does have plenty of power to me. I think it's a matter of what you drive and what you're comfortable with. This car does look in ok shape for it's age and miles. I always wondered why they never bothered to add the mesh nets on the back of the seat back on these Euro models, but they did on North American cars.

I like no rear headrests and the manual seats and windows. Less electronics the better. I'd prefer the dual zone manual climate control too with no sunroof. It is a shame that so many of the cars here had those.

Hey with the dual zone manual climate control, my passenger wouldn't have to wine about the heat settings and could have their individual settings.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:13 AM
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I personally don't mind the power of my 190Ds 2.2 and 2.5 and with the stick the 2.0l in the 200 isn't bad either. Makes my 87 turbo feel like an AMG, but its all about personal preference I guess. All of them still blow the doors off a 240D and plenty of people here like those.

I'm sorry jooseppi "worn in accordance with age" is a crock and a sorry excuse. I've been in two 500k 124s in better shape than this and all my 124s have north of 250k on them now and are all nicer. Maybe its not a shocker that this car is beat after 27 years but that doesn't change that fact that it is, in fact, beat.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:37 AM
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He could have taken a second of his time to replace the hood release latch for a few dollars. Repainting the wheels would make a world of difference on it's exterior appearance also at first glance.

Not much taken today to make a car presentable, but they ask outrageous prices.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:29 AM
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I'm sorry jooseppi "worn in accordance with age" is a crock and a sorry excuse.
You're right, I forgot about that. That was pretty lame.
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:11 AM
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Maybe that was harsh dude, but the car is not all that old and age really is not an excuse for condition on any car. the condition its in is the condition its in. Fix it up, or present it as is, I don't see why people attempt to make excuses for the condition of their car. Whatever the story thecar is what it is.

By that logic my '59 should just be a rusty grill.
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Maybe that was harsh dude, but the car is not all that old and age really is not an excuse for condition on any car. the condition its in is the condition its in. Fix it up, or present it as is, I don't see why people attempt to make excuses for the condition of their car. Whatever the story thecar is what it is.

By that logic my '59 should just be a rusty grill.
^^^So this!

Well said, it's more than annoying after scanning the eleventy billionth ad formed from the same gd template

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Old 04-21-2014, 07:10 PM
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Maybe that was harsh dude, but the car is not all that old and age really is not an excuse for condition on any car. the condition its in is the condition its in. Fix it up, or present it as is, I don't see why people attempt to make excuses for the condition of their car. Whatever the story thecar is what it is.

By that logic my '59 should just be a rusty grill.
I don't care what kind of car it is, 250K + miles is a lot for ANY car.
As Paul said, this car doesn't wear the miles very well at all.
Mediocre car with a whole lot of hyperbole.

I'll bet dollars to donuts, the last winner bailed once he saw the car n person.

I also cannot understand the excitement of the manual transmission.
I've owned both a W201 190D and a W124 300E with the manual transmission. Neither one did much for me. Other then having an overdrive ratio, I cannot think of anything the manual trans cars did any better than the automatic.

Don't get me wrong, I love manual transmissions, I particularly enjoy a sweet shifting, well thought out ratios, progressive clutch, transmission. The Benz just doesn't measure up, compared to many others I've driven. I'd also extend the criticism to many older Benzs I've owned over the years. All were plagued with rubbery shifters, and somewhat clunky operation. When I drive my wife's MGB, for example, I understand how a great manual SHOULD work....

But the W124 is a much more enjoyable car with the excellent automatic MB supplied. I even had second thoughts and bought my 300E back, owning it twice, before I decided to stay with automatics for my W124s.

This is my personal opinion, I know there are a lot of die hard MB manual guys out there who think this stuff is the holy grail, but maybe I'm spoiled....I do currently own 4 vehicles with manuals.

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