Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help




Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum > Technical Information and Support > ML, GL, G-Wagen, R-Class, Unimog, Sprinter

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 12-15-2003, 10:24 PM
Bud
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Lexus have a 5K service interval and I don't see them changing anytime soon. They've got a great reputation for reliability and they want to keep it. However, they have another problem....recommending low viscosity oil to help Toyota with their CAFE averages.

I think that it IS an environmental issue that has driven/forced the German car makers into extended oil change intervals. I remember the first time I saw the new C-Class with chunks of vinyl cut out of the pan that holds the spare tire down. This was the first of many indications that the Germans were into recycling. You also have the wiring harness issue, BMW's with recycled rubber dashes and many other indications.

Trying to find an absolute bullet proof car now is difficult. I want a car that drives like a BMW, is the size and style of an E-Class and has the reliability of an LS-430. If I didn't have an adversity to paying interest, I'd stop paying cash for my new cars and start leasing.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-15-2003, 11:02 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Southern California, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,507
Quote:
Originally posted by Bud


Trying to find an absolute bullet proof car now is difficult. I want a car that drives like a BMW, is the size and style of an E-Class and has the reliability of an LS-430.
\

I've never seen anyone put it so perfectly.

That's exactly what I want.
__________________
Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:11 AM
sdanville's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Michigan USA
Posts: 315
Perfect car- - -

I have had 2 Acura's and frankly they wren't as reliable as my Honda accord, prelude and civic. The Honda's were near flawless.
I think when a company goes for more power , weight , complexity the simple reliability decreases.
My Mercedes has cost more to maintain than any of my previous 10 cars.
So many cars, so little time.
__________________
Steve Danville
what i did myself.
CPS
rear shocks
MAS x 3.
SparkPlugs (twice)
Fuel pump & Filter
Window switch
replaced both failed horns with Honda horns.
Cleaned ERG Tube
Oil changes
Oil consumption Fix
Brake Pads
A/C Recharge
Anti-Freeze change X 2.
Front Shocks. Monroe. $90
Mercedes Warrenty Work:
Harmonic balancer,power steering clamp. Cat converters.
Drive Shaft Bearing.s
Replaced Outer Lower Tie Rods and front lower ball joints at 156,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:44 AM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 6,844
Manny has the answer. The answer is that oil service intervals are the result of a lot of influences. I would place long term life at the bottom of the considerations.

The recycling nature of the automobile is definitely being considered especially in Europe. I saw a presentation years ago that stated that the government had rules in effect that would require the oil companies to recycle a certain amount of what they sold. The concept continued with the end result being oil service technicians being licensed and possesion of oil limited to licensed users. (sort of like freon was supposed to be).

I personally believe that cost is the main consideration. modern buyers consider the monthly cost of transportation and service is part. They have bundled warrantee costs and now bundling service costs to monthly payments. It takes a real good accountant to understand how this costs one more but that is another story.

I have always said that one could just add oil for the life of the warrantee and original owners time, and trade, and never see the results of such abuse. MB knows that.
__________________
Steve Brotherton
Continental Imports
Gainesville FL
Bosch Master, ASE Master, L1
33 years MB technician
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:51 AM
sdanville's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Michigan USA
Posts: 315
NO CONSCIENCE lease mentality

I am ashamed of one of my best friends.
He leased a mini van from Ford. at 36,000 miles at the end of the lease he changed the oil for the 1st time and traded it in.
The poor working class family that bought it had no idea.
So the next lease he had,, when he visited ..I changed his oil at 15,000 for free for him.
just so the next people had a fighting chance of a lasting engine. Why did I ? I believe in after life.
__________________
Steve Danville
what i did myself.
CPS
rear shocks
MAS x 3.
SparkPlugs (twice)
Fuel pump & Filter
Window switch
replaced both failed horns with Honda horns.
Cleaned ERG Tube
Oil changes
Oil consumption Fix
Brake Pads
A/C Recharge
Anti-Freeze change X 2.
Front Shocks. Monroe. $90
Mercedes Warrenty Work:
Harmonic balancer,power steering clamp. Cat converters.
Drive Shaft Bearing.s
Replaced Outer Lower Tie Rods and front lower ball joints at 156,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-16-2003, 11:01 AM
Bud
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NO CONSCIENCE lease mentality

Quote:
Originally posted by sdanville
I am ashamed of one of my best friends.
He leased a mini van from Ford. at 36,000 miles at the end of the lease he changed the oil for the 1st time and traded it in.
This is exactly why I'd never buy a leased car. Few people buy the car at the end of a lease so they couldn't care less about maintaining the car during the lease. I think this is why BMW started the free service business (which corresponds to the life of the lease).
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-16-2003, 12:47 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: CT
Posts: 185
For leasing, Volvo, and I assume others, require the scheduled services to be performed as a condition of the lease. You either have it done at the dealer, or show proof you did it otherwise. I know nothing about how rigorously this is enforced.

The oil changes are free, but the scheduling is the same short-sighted mentality: Volvo specifies a dino-oil change every 7500 miles. We do it about twice that.
__________________
2002 E320 4-Matic
2008 Subaru Outback
2009 Subaru Forester
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-16-2003, 02:17 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: West Linn, Or
Posts: 341
Lightbulb A suggestion vis'-a-vis' your sludge problem...

...would be for you to do a "search" on Auto-RX on this Forum. You may also wish to visit the BOBistheOilGuy Site.

There is a Holiday sale on the Auto-RX product reducing the price from $25 to $17 per 12 oz. application if you buy 4 bottles. You will need 16 oz. for an 8 quart oil capacity and I would recommend the two treatment regimen as you are approaching 100K miles and have a present sludge problem. Acouple of 3 to 5K oil changes won't cost that much and will really get that crap out of your system.

This stuff REALLY works as advertized and will safely clean up your engine. I would recommend using a Dino 15W-40 HD oil such as Pennzoil LongLife, Delvac 1 or one of the AMSOIL 15W-40 products if you feel you must use a synthetic or a blend.

Good Luck!

p.s. This stuff Really does work!
__________________
'91 420 SEL @ 199K, '92 SVX @ 181K, '93 SC400 @ 86K, '93 Kaw ZX-11 @ 30K, '87 F250 @ 181K , 2001 Valkyrie Interstate @ 6K, Y2K Honda NightHawk 250 with 1.5K, '88 420SEL I.@ 179K & the 2nd latest, an '88 420SEL II.@ 210K runnin' parts car, '85 F150 300/NP435
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-16-2003, 03:27 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 48
the irony of all of this conservation mentality is that if you extend the life of a car by 30-50K miles by doing more frequent oil changes, I really have to think that the net positive impact of *not* buying a new car for those 30-50K miles has to outweigh the environmental impact of the incremental oil changes.
__________________
________________________
98 e430, 55K
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-16-2003, 04:54 PM
LarryBible
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Great thread with some very good thoughts and comments.

Everyone that knows me knows that I'm an oil change maniac. As far as the green issue regarding oil changes goes, since I drive my cars to multiple hundreds of thousands of miles which alleviates the environmental impact of producing a few more cars, I feel that my extra oil changes are offset environmentally.

As far as FSS goes, I have used nothing but Mobil One in my 203 car and I have changed oil and filter between the FSS dealer provided oil changes.

Oil is cheap, cars and engines are expensive.

Have a great day,
Change oil hot and change oil often.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-16-2003, 05:34 PM
blackmercedes's Avatar
Just a guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: St. Albert, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 3,492
Quote:
Originally posted by beevly
For leasing, Volvo, and I assume others, require the scheduled services to be performed as a condition of the lease. You either have it done at the dealer, or show proof you did it otherwise. I know nothing about how rigorously this is enforced.
Most leasing companies will beat the crap out of you with lease-end charges if the maintenance schedule has not been adhered to. That said, with MB you must follow only the FSS (Canada has no included service) and you're fine. A friend of mine had a Ford Explorer that was a little over on the odo, so he was prepared to pay the mileage charge, which he calculated to $800. The lease end charges were about $5000. The windscreen was pitted (who's is not?), there were rock chips on the hood and front fenders (I saw it, nothing out of the ordinary), etc. They just beat the crap out him. Then the extortion began... They forgave most of the charges when he leased another Explorer. This time he got smart. He found some poor schmuck to take over the lease, he took some cash and bought a used MB. No more leasing for him.
__________________
John Shellenberg
1998 C230 "Black Betty" 240K

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2011 Pelican Parts - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page