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You know the current law. That's all going to change in a few months due to laws the clown show in Austin just passed.

Republicans and Conservatives and Tea Party fans have been clamoring for looser gun laws. Well, you are going to get them. The events in Waco are going to become more commonplace in the years to come.

And when they do who will Republicans blame? Themselves? Since they have never taken any responsibility for their actions in the past why would they start now?

Be careful what you ask for since you just might get it, and Texas have been asking for open carry, no gun permits or training, and the legal right to carry anywhere and everywhere. And the loonies they elected have paid attention.

So, good luck with that.
So you think that twin peaks could have been avoided with tight gun laws? You are more naive than i thought. Things like what you said are a repeat of what was said would happen when the CCL came into play in '96. How do you explain the drop in crime since that time?

BTW, your statement did not indicate the gun laws of the future. Your incorrect statements were about the gun laws of today.

Those nasty conservatives are honoring the constitution. I realize how horrible it is for a liberal to observe that.
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Lets see, is there already a law against having a shootout in public that is more severe than simply carrying either open or concealed? I'd think so. If I am not going to follow that law, what is it you suggest that will work? If I am going to shoot you, do you imagine that a law against carrying either open or concealed will stop me? What are you going to do? Charge me for murder AND tack on an illegal carry charge? Oh, if it was just murder, I'd do it but now that you have an illegal carry, I guess it pushes it over the limit and I guess I won't go kill anyone.

Somehow, I think you have more sense than that but need an anti-repuiblican/anti-conservative rant, all the while, trying to sound reasonable and questioning.
Archie Bunker once claimed the only way to protect people on airplanes from a hijacker was to arm everyone on board.

Republicans seem to agree with this.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:59 PM
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So you think that twin peaks could have been avoided with tight gun laws? You are more naive than i thought. Things like what you said are a repeat of what was said would happen when the CCL came into play in '96. How do you explain the drop in crime since that time?

BTW, your statement did not indicate the gun laws of the future. Your incorrect statements were about the gun laws of today.

Those nasty conservatives are honoring the constitution. I realize how horrible it is for a liberal to observe that.
Note that I was referring to the present tense since in Texas, starting in September, that will be the law.

Conservatives have claimed that when everyone is armed we will all be safer. We now have a chance to see what society is going to look like when everyone is armed.

I understand that Conservatives live in a dream world where everything is perfect, or at least it would be if everyone just did what they said, but Conservatives have delusions about how people who are not as smart as they are will respond to no restrictions on gun ownership.

But that's OK. They have built the Texas they want and they can have it.

The biggest problem they will have going forward is how to blame the Libs for everyone owning guns and using them on each other, but I am sure they will find a way.

After all, did I mention they were delusional?
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That was once the law in Texas until shootouts became a common thing among those that were not drinking.

Someone would start a fight and the non drinking person would pull a gun and finish it. And even though it sounds impossible some of those carrying guns did take a drink or two. Just to be friendly, of course.

It's funny watching the younger people here think this is some new thing and everything is going to work out well. They either don't know enough of the wrong kind of people or don't spend a lot of time in beer joints to understand what they are talking about.

They never learned history so they are doomed to repeat it.
I've only been in Texas long enough for a layover in Dallas, so I'm definitely not qualified to speak about the history of carrying in places that serve alcohol there...but I can say that there hasn't been a pandemic of bar shootings in Tennessee since the law came into effect in 2009. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but there was such a media outcry over it when it passed that I have no doubt it would show up in the local news if it was a problem. I do know of one bar killing that happened in my hometown that involved a knife.

I don't doubt that some people drink a beer or two while carrying, but those are the same people who would also jump in the driver's seat of a car while "only buzzed." They should lose their permit to carry, just like they would their license if they got pulled over for a DUI.
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Archie Bunker once claimed the only way to protect people on airplanes from a hijacker was to arm everyone on board.

Republicans seem to agree with this.
I don't know what you are thinking but do you for one minute think that you have a better CHANCE armed if you get shot at or unarmed? Can I ask the Democrat POV since you seem to be so enamored with them?

Political parties agree with whomever or whatever is tossing them money. I'll bet you won't answer this honestly: Do you believe that your Democrats aren't beholden to the parties donating them money?
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How do you explain the drop in crime since that time?.
Texas firearm homicide rate down at least one-third since 1996 | PolitiFact Texas

The firearms homocide rate did drop, but whether it's attributable to the law isn't proven, especially since the rate was dropping all over the country, not just TX.
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I've only been in Texas long enough for a layover in Dallas, so I'm definitely not qualified to speak about the history of carrying in places that serve alcohol there...but I can say that there hasn't been a pandemic of bar shootings in Tennessee since the law came into effect in 2009. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but there was such a media outcry over it when it passed that I have no doubt it would show up in the local news if it was a problem. I do know of one bar killing that happened in my hometown that involved a knife.

I don't doubt that some people drink a beer or two while carrying, but those are the same people who would also jump in the driver's seat of a car while "only buzzed." They should lose their permit to carry, just like they would their license if they got pulled over for a DUI.
Mayor of Madison, WI though it was a great idea to limit guns in the city limits to 4 inch barrels or longer. I didn't hear of any crooks turning their guns into the police when crossing into the city.

Actually, DUI gets you punishment but you don't lose your license permanently unless it is a multiple offense
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Just what type of law would Idle invoke to prevent criminals from improperly using guns while not affecting responsible citizens that don't commit crimes? RE: How would you control drunk driving without affecting those that don't drink and drive or drive but don't drink at all?

Being Idle completely bypassed my fact laden post # 4, I'll repost it and not expect him to respond to facts.

Some fair use quotes from USA Today
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"" Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton confirmed "multiple fatalities" in the shootout at Twin Peaks Restaurant shortly after noon. . . . . .

Remarkably, Swanton said, all of the dead or injured were "members of criminal biker gangs." . . . .

Swanton said police knew there could be trouble at the restaurant, as they'd learned that a gang "recruitment" event was taking place at Twin Peaks. He said police tried to keep the gathering from happening, but that restaurant management refused to cooperate. ""
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How many people here think that " stricter " gun laws will be followed by "members of criminal biker gangs." ? Did these criminal biker gangs follow current laws regarding fighting ( hand to hand ) in a public place?

There are numerous stats floating around that people with concealed carry permits are far far less likely to be involved in crimes. Have a look at the reports from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

I found this quote floating out there on the web. . . .. " Also found numbers for Kansas. The overall violent crime rate is .5%, the CCW holder crime rate is .09%. "

So, making it more difficult for a CCW holder to carry a weapon reduces overall crime how?
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:16 PM
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Conservatives have claimed that when everyone is armed we will all be safer. We now have a chance to see what society is going to look like when everyone is armed.

I understand that Conservatives live in a dream world where everything is perfect, or at least it would be if everyone just did what they said, but Conservatives have delusions about how people who are not as smart as they are will respond to no restrictions on gun ownership.

But that's OK. They have built the Texas they want and they can have it.

The biggest problem they will have going forward is how to blame the Libs for everyone owning guns and using them on each other, but I am sure they will find a way.

After all, did I mention they were delusional?
How will you test that case? You can't arm everyone.

Yes, we all know it is the fault of the conservative for everything. If there is a rainstorm or earthquake, it is the conservative. Hell if a meteor hits the earth, according to you it will be the conservative's fault. We get the message. Really, we do. Vote Democrat and life will be perfect.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:19 PM
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Just what type of law would Idle invoke to prevent criminals from improperly using guns while not affecting responsible citizens that don't commit crimes? RE: How would you control drunk driving without affecting those that don't drink and drive or drive but don't drink at all?

Being Idle completely bypassed my fact laden post # 4, I'll repost it and not expect him to respond to facts.

Some fair use quotes from USA Today
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"" Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton confirmed "multiple fatalities" in the shootout at Twin Peaks Restaurant shortly after noon. . . . . .

Remarkably, Swanton said, all of the dead or injured were "members of criminal biker gangs." . . . .

Swanton said police knew there could be trouble at the restaurant, as they'd learned that a gang "recruitment" event was taking place at Twin Peaks. He said police tried to keep the gathering from happening, but that restaurant management refused to cooperate. ""
~~~~~~~~~~~

How many people here think that " stricter " gun laws will be followed by "members of criminal biker gangs." ? Did these criminal biker gangs follow current laws regarding fighting ( hand to hand ) in a public place?

There are numerous stats floating around that people with concealed carry permits are far far less likely to be involved in crimes. Have a look at the reports from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

I found this quote floating out there on the web. . . .. " Also found numbers for Kansas. The overall violent crime rate is .5%, the CCW holder crime rate is .09%. "

So, making it more difficult for a CCW holder to carry a weapon reduces overall crime how?
It's not the gun or the biker gang. It's the conservative's fault for anything and everything that goes wrong. I didn't win the Powerball last week so it must be the conservatives who are keeping all the money for the rich fat cats. With IDLE the math is simple. State problem, blame conservative therefore, in a very slick way, he is trying to say Vote Democrat but not say it otherwise it would seem like a shill for his side. Don't believe me? Ready any and all of his posts and see the pattern.

All it needs is for you to not watch the pattern and listen to the slick statements and you too will see the logic and the way to paradise.
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Its starting to look more and more like the Democrat - socialist's end game led by barack hussein oBama, is to ban ALL guns. That way, the only armed ppl will be the bad guys. Since the police are under attack and painted as armed bad guys too, that'll complete their quest.

The George Hennards of this Country are more than happy to shoot up any public place with only unarmed and innocent ppl to murder.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:51 PM
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Its starting to look more and more like the Democrat - socialist's end game led by barack hussein oBama, is to ban ALL guns. That way, the only armed ppl will be the bad guys. Since the police are under attack and painted as armed bad guys too, that'll complete their quest.

The George Hennards of this Country are more than happy to shoot up any public place with only unarmed and innocent ppl to murder.
Pretty simple. One side of the argument pays one set of congress to ban it, the other side pays the opposing side to have free reign. So one side will ask to ban everything and the other side will press to have free access since no one side will trust the other to be reasonable. Same as any purchase. You ask $10000 for the car, I offer $5000. I believe you are jacking up the asking price and you believe I am trying to lowball you.
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Its starting to look more and more like the Democrat - socialist's end game led by barack hussein oBama, is to ban ALL guns. That way, the only armed ppl will be the bad guys. Since the police are under attack and painted as armed bad guys too, that'll complete their quest.
How long has this canard been floated?

Please list which firearms have been banned since 2009?
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How long has this canard been floated?

Please list which firearms have been banned since 2009?
Probably as long as the the opposing canard about gun "control". Sounds reasonable though. All they want is to control it so it doesn't fall into wrong hands. Only question is who they define as "wrong".
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How long has this canard been floated?

Please list which firearms have been banned since 2009?
The 850,000 - +1,000,000 M1 Garand's and M1 Carbines, all older than 50 years, presently owned by South Korea having originally received them from the US during the Korean Conflict, don't count as an Obama executive branch action banning of firearms?

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