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Old 05-17-2015, 07:29 PM
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A good guy with a gun....

.... Was in short supply in Waco today. There were lots of bad guys with guns, though, since the gun laws in Texas allow anyone to carry where ever they wish.

And if you are not a native of Waco then try to understand what part of town this took place in. There is a Flying J on the south side of town on I-35 and New Road. Just south of that is a new and high dollar shopping area.

And that's where this took place; in the shopping area.

So say hello to my little friend.....

Sunday Biker Gang Shooting Leaves Nine Dead, 16 Injured
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:13 PM
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.... Was in short supply in Waco today. There were lots of bad guys with guns, though, since the gun laws in Texas allow anyone to carry where ever they wish.

And if you are not a native of Waco then try to understand what part of town this took place in. There is a Flying J on the south side of town on I-35 and New Road. Just south of that is a new and high dollar shopping area.

And that's where this took place; in the shopping area.

So say hello to my little friend.....

Sunday Biker Gang Shooting Leaves Nine Dead, 16 Injured
Texas only allows Open Carry of long guns, Open carry of handguns has been long prohibited. The article mentions about 100 firearms being confiscated, everyone will have to wait and see what percentage were illegaly carried as opposed to the number carried in open legal status or legal concealed status.

Open carry of long guns is not and has never been "where ever they wish" there are numerous prohibitions as to the places Open Carry in not lawful and there are clear proscriptions as to the manner in which the Open Carry can still violate other aspects of laws. When engaged in Open Carry it must be done in a manner that does not potentially threaten others for instance, weapons can not be carried "at the ready" so to speak.
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:07 PM
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Biker club

Not "gang".
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:28 PM
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Some fair use quotes from USA Today
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"" Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton confirmed "multiple fatalities" in the shootout at Twin Peaks Restaurant shortly after noon. . . . . .

Remarkably, Swanton said, all of the dead or injured were "members of criminal biker gangs." . . . .

Swanton said police knew there could be trouble at the restaurant, as they'd learned that a gang "recruitment" event was taking place at Twin Peaks. He said police tried to keep the gathering from happening, but that restaurant management refused to cooperate. ""
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How many people here think that " stricter " gun laws will be followed by "members of criminal biker gangs." ? Did these criminal biker gangs follow current laws regarding fighting ( hand to hand ) in a public place?

There are numerous stats floating around that people with concealed carry permits are far far less likely to be involved in crimes. Have a look at the reports from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm

I found this quote floating out there on the web. . . .. " Also found numbers for Kansas. The overall violent crime rate is .5%, the CCW holder crime rate is .09%. "

So, making it more difficult for a CCW holder to carry a weapon reduces overall crime how?
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Old 05-17-2015, 09:30 PM
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And... even concealed carry can NOT be legally done by everyone. It requires a concealed. carry license or must be kept in the vehicle. I think the OP needs to be a little more accurate with his facts.
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Wonder how many of the dead were shot by cops?
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:15 PM
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:35 PM
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Texas only allows Open Carry of long guns, Open carry of handguns has been long prohibited. The article mentions about 100 firearms being confiscated, everyone will have to wait and see what percentage were illegaly carried as opposed to the number carried in open legal status or legal concealed status.

Open carry of long guns is not and has never been "where ever they wish" there are numerous prohibitions as to the places Open Carry in not lawful and there are clear proscriptions as to the manner in which the Open Carry can still violate other aspects of laws. When engaged in Open Carry it must be done in a manner that does not potentially threaten others for instance, weapons can not be carried "at the ready" so to speak.
So in other words.....

You are not keeping up with the current gun laws in Texas?
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Old 05-17-2015, 11:40 PM
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And... even concealed carry can NOT be legally done by everyone. It requires a concealed. carry license or must be kept in the vehicle. I think the OP needs to be a little more accurate with his facts.
I think this commentator needs to keep up with the changes in gun laws in Texas.

A handgun in a bar was once a felony. Not anymore! The Republicans in Texas have been pushing for lax gun laws and allowing them to be carried by anyone anywhere. After all, what could go wrong?

Having grown up in a part of Texas where gun were carried and used by a lot of folks I had more than a few chances to see what could go wrong even when strict gun laws were on the books. Remove the laws and everything will be wonderful. At least that what the Republicans in Texas are telling everyone.

So thanks, Republicans! You worked hard for this so why are you not enjoying it?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:15 AM
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Twin Peaks is not a ****ing bar. It's a restaurant and this legal to carry in in Texas
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Much more to this story than is reported I imagine. Around here it seems most guys in biker gangs are more at risk of throwing out their hip than being shot at but I can't speak for anywhere else.


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Here is the claim you made "There were lots of bad guys with guns, though, since the gun laws in Texas allow anyone to carry where ever they wish."

Texas Law Chapter 46 Weapons makes it clear that claim is without basis.


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I think this commentator needs to keep up with the changes in gun laws in Texas.

A handgun in a bar was once a felony. Not anymore! The Republicans in Texas have been pushing for lax gun laws and allowing them to be carried by anyone anywhere. After all, what could go wrong?

Having grown up in a part of Texas where gun were carried and used by a lot of folks I had more than a few chances to see what could go wrong even when strict gun laws were on the books. Remove the laws and everything will be wonderful. At least that what the Republicans in Texas are telling everyone.

So thanks, Republicans! You worked hard for this so why are you not enjoying it?
There would be no need for "The Republicans in Texas have been pushing for lax gun laws and allowing them to be carried by anyone anywhere." if your original claim was factual "since the gun laws in Texas allow anyone to carry where ever they wish."?

Which claim is not factual?

"A handgun in a bar was once a felony."

What do you have against the owner of a public accommodation allowing lawfully carried handguns on their property? There is no Texas law that gives lawful gun owners or carriers the right to carry on the private property of others, no business can be forced to allow firearms on their property against their will (the exception being law enforcement obviously).

Here's a primer http://www.texasgunlaws.org/
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:51 AM
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....A handgun in a bar was once a felony. Not anymore!......
When did your sources tell you Texas repealed:


Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.
"(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages."

and

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
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(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;"
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:10 AM
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And... even concealed carry can NOT be legally done by everyone. It requires a concealed. carry license or must be kept in the vehicle. I think the OP needs to be a little more accurate with his facts.
Agreed.

I noticed he wrote so much erroneous information about the incident, AND Texas Law, it's not worth the time spent trying to wade through it to bother with.
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