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Old 07-05-2015, 12:44 AM
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Marriage equality.. some folks in CO are not giving up.

Gay marriage opponents propose 2 Colorado ballot measures | CNS News

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Opponents of gay marriage have proposed two Colorado ballot measures in response to the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples have a right to marry nationwide.

One measure would redefine same-sex marriages in Colorado as civil unions. A second initiative would allow wedding-related businesses opposed to gay marriage to hire a contractor to serve same-sex couples.
And they wonder if it will pass muster. This is where it goes off the rails and crashes....

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Any same-sex couple married before the proposed amendment takes effect or in another state would have their relationship redefined as a civil union, which carries some but not all of the legal rights of marriage.
That is not how equality works. Can someone explain this to them?
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Old 07-05-2015, 02:47 AM
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As long as heterosexual and gay marriages done by the City or State are both called civil unions how is that not equal?
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As long as heterosexual and gay marriages done by the City or State are both called civil unions how is that not equal?
Try re reading the OP's post more carefully.
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Didn't expect to see this from CO. Everybody needs to take a bong hit and mellow out.
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:17 AM
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As long as heterosexual and gay marriages done by the City or State are both called civil unions how is that not equal?
Read first..... then post.
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Old 07-05-2015, 11:40 AM
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Didn't expect to see this from CO. Everybody needs to take a bong hit and mellow out.
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Old 07-05-2015, 12:38 PM
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Read first..... then post.
I have a lot of trouble with the sites people post and My dial up internet so most often I don't read them and just go by what I know or believer.

It is clear that Gays want to own the term "marriage" so no sort of Domestic Partnership or other "Civil" name is going to satisfy even if the financial benifits are the same as heterosexual marriage.

But, that is not the same as meeting a legal test.

The article did not mention if Civil Union would apply to all couples if the City or State did the ceramony or not.
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Old 07-05-2015, 12:51 PM
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Somebody still has dialup? Why??? The way websites are built these days that's got to be endlessly frustrating. I can only get 7Mb service out here in the boonies and even THAT is too slow sometimes.
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Lots of referendums in CO. I think we'd had a fetus personhood referendum at least 3 times. Voted down every time. Legislators can't raise taxes here due to a referendum which passed. It's currently working it's way thru the court system. Supremes kicked it back down into the lower courts for another go but it will end up at the Supreme Court in a year or so. An anti-gay rights amendment passed some years ago but was overturned by the courts. I guess these people don't know about that.
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One odd thing about the proposal is that it seems to assume that hiring a contractor is a morally (?) better choice than doing the work yourself. That's dubious. You hire a hit man to kill your spouse and you're still morally and legally culpable.
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Somebody still has dialup? Why??? The way websites are built these days that's got to be endlessly frustrating. I can only get 7Mb service out here in the boonies and even THAT is too slow sometimes.
That could explain a lot.
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I have a lot of trouble with the sites people post and My dial up internet so most often I don't read them and just go by what I know or believer.

It is clear that Gays want to own the term "marriage" so no sort of Domestic Partnership or other "Civil" name is going to satisfy even if the financial benifits are the same as heterosexual marriage.

But, that is not the same as meeting a legal test.

The article did not mention if Civil Union would apply to all couples if the City or State did the ceramony or not.
That is probably a big contributing factor to why your posts make no sense.

What exsctly do they want to own and who told you that?

The article does address it. Only same sex unions would be redefined as civil unions and they would not enjoy the same rights. That is where the initiative fails.
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And they wonder if it will pass muster. This is where it goes off the rails and crashes....



That is not how equality works. Can someone explain this to them?
And that is how their opposition dies. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
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Old 07-06-2015, 03:32 PM
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And they wonder if it will pass muster. This is where it goes off the rails and crashes....



That is not how equality works. Can someone explain this to them?
Thought I heard tale of opening a can of worms......
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Somebody still has dialup? Why??? The way websites are built these days that's got to be endlessly frustrating. I can only get 7Mb service out here in the boonies and even THAT is too slow sometimes.
I only do limited things with the Comuter anyway and I don't need it for any business stuff. I also get messages to update My Web Browser but with Dial up that may or may not work.

Where I am is a Verison area and I am an At&t Customer. Verison won't run a Fiber Optic Cable to My House unless I am a Verison Customer (they come to my house about 4 times a year trying to get me to switch.).

Anyway about one moth ago I bought a Lap Top so I can use the Free WiFi at the Library and Local KFC. But, that is still limited as if the Library is not open I end up sitting in the Car with the Computer and I don't like spending a lot fo time in the Library.

I have a whole other House to waiting for me to move into. When I am settled in there I will go wireless.
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