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Concerning Israel.... its complicated.

Their long term military strategy has never failed. They change tactics as situations change. The upper echelon is very flexible of mind and has unwavering devotion to their cause.

Politically, Israel of today is little different from biblical Israel. It's hubris will be its destruction. Ask Jeremiah.

Israel has a good grasp of self preservation on the military side. It is penny foolish on the political side. And Netanyahu is the principal reason. He is all-in for "peace through strength" and totally intransigent on the diplomatic side. I understand why (they are on a fine balance between survival and annihilation), but I think it horribly misdirected. But that's a different topic.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:45 PM
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Perhaps failure was the wrong choice of words. They have been fighting for 60 years and have not been successful. I do no see how our endeavor would have a different outcome. With the history of the area, I do not see how there could ever been an end game to any effort we make in the area. It's like a Möbius strip. Never ends.
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Not long after 9/11 a well read acquaintance said "there will not be security and peace on Earth until every radicalized Muslim is dead." Hard to argue with that.
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Perhaps failure was the wrong choice of words. They have been fighting for 60 years and have not been successful. I do no see how our endeavor would have a different outcome. With the history of the area, I do not see how there could ever been an end game to any effort we make in the area. It's like a Möbius strip. Never ends.
Victory in any war requires being filled with resolved. The US has yet
To reach that point. If we ever collectively obtain that attitude we will be able to solve the problem.
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Concerning Israel.... its complicated.

Their long term military strategy has never failed. They change tactics as situations change. The upper echelon is very flexible of mind and has unwavering devotion to their cause.

Politically, Israel of today is little different from biblical Israel. It's hubris will be its destruction. Ask Jeremiah.

Israel has a good grasp of self preservation on the military side. It is penny foolish on the political side. And Netanyahu is the principal reason. He is all-in for "peace through strength" and totally intransigent on the diplomatic side. I understand why (they are on a fine balance between survival and annihilation), but I think it horribly misdirected. But that's a different topic.
If there is anyone TRULY interested in learning about Israel and Israelites, Genesis and Exodus should be on their must read list.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:58 PM
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Victory in any war requires being filled with resolved. The US has yet
To reach that point. If we ever collectively obtain that attitude we will be able to solve the problem.
My argument is that Israel is resolved. Their existence depends on it. Yet they have not been successful if victory is the standard. They are just playing an endless game of 'whack a mole'.
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Not long after 9/11 a well read acquaintance said "there will not be security and peace on Earth until every radicalized Muslim is dead." Hard to argue with that.
How do you identify a radical muslim without infringing upon the rights of the innocent and creating more radical muslims?

Simple solutions have complex results.
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Most radicals leave plenty of evidence and witnesses. Not hard to do
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Hey good to know!
Listen up world, dubyagree says its easy.
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My argument is that Israel is resolved. Their existence depends on it. Yet they have not been successful if victory is the standard. They are just playing an endless game of 'whack a mole'.
Well then there is the suggested reading....
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How do you identify a radical muslim without infringing upon the rights of the innocent and creating more radical muslims?

Simple solutions have complex results.
You kill the ones that are shooting at you. Then the ones who come to defend them, you kill them too. Thos is not difficult to understand.
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Hey good to know!
Listen up world, dubyagree says its easy.
I missed the part where he said it is easy. It is not easy. but it requires resolve which todays wimpy US has yet to acquire.
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Listen up world, dubyagree says its easy.


Most radicals are idiots. Messy, unorganized morons. Let them know I said that too.
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Well then there is the suggested reading....
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I missed the part where he said it is easy. It is not easy. but it requires resolve which todays wimpy US has yet to acquire.
Then you didnt bother reading his post. Go back and look at it again.
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