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Old 07-21-2017, 11:42 AM
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Two posts and you still have not managed to explain how it i that 45 needs to hire from out side the US to fill unskilled labor positions.
This is a common problem for resorts in destination locations, but it seems hard to believe mar a lago would have trouble finding local workers on mainland florida in palm beach 10 miles from lauderedale.

Really comes down to what they are willing to pay for workers. Given the trump corporations long history of bad faith towards employees, im not surprised they are having trouble finding local workers.
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Old 07-21-2017, 11:54 AM
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I think few folks could argue with the hard reality and the truth of the matter. Trump, Inc., has created 100,000s of jobs over the years whereas how many jobs has the liberal social progressive politician created? Hint: ZERO. How many net manufacturing jobs did that worthless POS Obama create during his disastrous 8 years? Hint: ZERO. Trump has already surpassed Obama's goose egg. So, what can the S+Fs really say about Trump's history in job creation other than its positive?
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:33 PM
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45 did not create those jobs as a politician, he created those jobs as a private person just like Cuban, Gates, Allen, Zuckerberg to mention just a few. The question seems to be, how many of those jobs that 45 created went to US citizens?

When Obama took office the economy was in a free fall. The DJ increased by over 140%. Unemployment went down to 4.5%. I'll take that goose egg all day long.

Look, I know it is hard to accept but Obama lost his bid for a 3rd term. It's an unfortunate reality but we all have to learn to deal with it in our own way. 45 is now president and what he has said and what he is doing do not match up.

All that is beside the point. Why is it that 45 is unable to locate 70+ people to work at his golf club and has to hire immigrants that will bring the wages for those jobs down for other Americans? He is not hiring rocket scientists or engineers. He is hiring cooks, waiters and maids.... not exactly hard to find.
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In a short video address this week, Trump listed the issue as a priority for his first 100 days in office: He said he will "direct the Department of Labor to investigate all abuses of visa programs that undercut the American worker."
I guess they did not have a lot of time for that investigation huh?

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“They’re taking our jobs. They’re taking our manufacturing jobs. They’re taking our money. They’re killing us,” Donald Trump said in July 2015 about Mexicans. Speaking about immigrants from China and Vietnam and India more broadly, Trump in April of this year said our “jobs are being stolen … like candy from a baby.” In August 2015, Rasmussen—a conservative-leaning polling group—found that 51% of respondents believe “illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from U.S. citizens.”
Yes, he was talking about illegal immigrants but the principle seems to still stand, he is hiring foreign labor to take US jobs.
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Old 07-21-2017, 02:22 PM
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I think few folks could argue with the hard reality and the truth of the matter. Trump, Inc., has created 100,000s of jobs over the years whereas how many jobs has the liberal social progressive politician created? Hint: ZERO. How many net manufacturing jobs did that worthless POS Obama create during his disastrous 8 years? Hint: ZERO. Trump has already surpassed Obama's goose egg. So, what can the S+Fs really say about Trump's history in job creation other than its positive?
It's more around 30 to 40.000 jobs tRump created. But lets not forget about all the private contractors he has stiffed during his career.
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Old 07-21-2017, 02:50 PM
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Nothing wrong with hiring guest workers but it really highlights that he can't lead by example.

If you're ok with hiring guest workers, manufacturing goods overseas and buying steel from China instead of US Steel because it's cheaper then it should be ok for others to do the same.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:35 PM
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Who is making the assertion? As far as I am concerned, it's the liberal concours around here, who is making the assertion.
In other words, you are quoting and pointing out your own lies?

When all else fails you right-wingers have the fall back argument that its just a "liberal's lie." That is a p*ss-poor argument.


Trump made the argument that he could not find American workers to serve as cooks, housekeepers, and waiters when he filed for H-2b visas. There are millions of Americans who are qualified for these positions. Indeed, most American resorts, hotels, motels, restaurants, fast-food outlets, and greasy spoons can find and hire American workers at reasonable wages. Trump can hire American workers, he just doesn't want them.


He probably paid a lawyer $100,000 or more to submit the applications. He wants these visa worker because he can control the race and ethnicity of those he hires and because he can control them once they get here. One of the visa holders can legally hold only the job for which he or she holds the visa. They can't walk away to a better job, and if they quit, they are required to go home probably at their own expense or that of our government.


To me, it is hypocritical for Trump to say he is going to control the abuses under this visa program on the campaign trail and then commit the abuse we have here. It was also hypocritical to increase the total number of such visas by more than 50%, as he recently did, without the promised study of the program. It is also hypocritical for the build a wall guy who wants to round them up and kick 'em out to import foreign workers to take American jobs.


Ted, call me a liar if you wish, but we all know that you would be making precisely the opposite argument had a Democrat done the things that Trump has done.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:55 PM
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The great thing about foreign H-2b workers is, they can't go nowhere but back home when they don't like the job. The employer got them by the balls, the perfect employee.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:08 PM
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When all else fails you right-wingers have the fall back argument that its just a "liberal's lie." That is a p*ss-poor argument.


Trump made the argument that he could not find American workers to serve as cooks, housekeepers, and waiters when he filed for H-2b visas. There are millions of Americans who are qualified for these positions. Indeed, most American resorts, hotels, motels, restaurants, fast-food outlets, and greasy spoons can find and hire American workers at reasonable wages. Trump can hire American workers, he just doesn't want them.


He probably paid a lawyer $100,000 or more to submit the applications. He wants these visa worker because he can control the race and ethnicity of those he hires and because he can control them once they get here. One of the visa holders can legally hold only the job for which he or she holds the visa. They can't walk away to a better job, and if they quit, they are required to go home probably at their own expense or that of our government.


To me, it is hypocritical for Trump to say he is going to control the abuses under this visa program on the campaign trail and then commit the abuse we have here. It was also hypocritical to increase the total number of such visas by more than 50%, as he recently did, without the promised study of the program. It is also hypocritical for the build a wall guy who wants to round them up and kick 'em out to import foreign workers to take American jobs.


Ted, call me a liar if you wish, but we all know that you would be making precisely the opposite argument had a Democrat done the things that Trump has done.
Nothing you are typing is confirmed, verified or other wise evident.
It's a typical media wave to smear Trump.
Google Mar-O-Lago, all you see is the foreign worker quip and how many $$$ Trump spends to get there.
You are parroting liberal media propaganda.

What's the total number of the staff at Mar-O-Lago? Any idea?
Besides, you liberal leftists have been inviting everybody into our country, incl. illegals, criminals and islamic terrorists.
Now, that Trump promotes diversity on a legal basis, you guys still keep complaining. What a bunch of half-grown cry babies.

I don't need to call you a liar. You're just confused. Too many liberal shenanigans under the scalp.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:58 PM
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The great thing about foreign H-2b workers is, they can't go nowhere but back home when they don't like the job. The employer got them by the balls, the perfect employee.
Almost like slave labor. Pay them a low salary, keep them compliant because they are esentially captive.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:05 PM
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I think few folks could argue with the hard reality and the truth of the matter. Trump, Inc., has created 100,000s of jobs over the years whereas how many jobs has the liberal social progressive politician created? Hint: ZERO. How many net manufacturing jobs did that worthless POS Obama create during his disastrous 8 years? Hint: ZERO. Trump has already surpassed Obama's goose egg. So, what can the S+Fs really say about Trump's history in job creation other than its positive?
Uh~ yea , sure.


_sure _he _has _




and he's successfully completed all those grand promises he made during the election........
hell he has _gotten _everything_ accomplished _ that _ he said _he would~ right __? in the first 6 mos.....................


on his way to being better than FDR was for America I tell ya
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:07 PM
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Nothing you are typing is confirmed, verified or other wise evident.
It's a typical media wave to smear Trump.
Google Mar-O-Lago, all you see is the foreign worker quip and how many $$$ Trump spends to get there.
You are parroting liberal media propaganda.

What's the total number of the staff at Mar-O-Lago? Any idea?
Besides, you liberal leftists have been inviting everybody into our country, incl. illegals, criminals and islamic terrorists.
Now, that Trump promotes diversity on a legal basis, you guys still keep complaining. What a bunch of half-grown cry babies.

I don't need to call you a liar. You're just confused. Too many liberal shenanigans under the scalp.

Well old guys like you .... half the time~


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Old 07-21-2017, 11:32 PM
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I don't know how big the staff is in total, but I do know that last year he hired 246 temp workers, all of them here on work visas.

Pay rates are between $10 and hour and $13. Those are rough figures but in the general area.

Before a company can hire these workers they have to advertise for American citizens and then prove they didn't get enough applications. Trump placed ads in a small local paper for two days which is the minimum required by law. Then claimed not enough people applied. Then he applied for the visas.

Trump has told friends the real reason he has to hire these folks is because Americans want full time jobs, not temp work. For someone from a place with no jobs this seems like a great deal. Earn a bunch of cash and go home. Meanwhile you get to work at a resort and not a sweat shop.

By the way..... Trump has gotten some blowback from the wealthy over his membership rules. In the past Mar-O-Largo would not allow anyone who was Jewish, Black or Gay to join the club. Trump allows in anyone with $200,000 up front and willing to pay the $14,000 a year dues. There is also a meal plan of $2,000 a month if you require this.

And for all the criticism people throw at Trump, and I am one of them, it is hard to not notice how he cleaned up this dump. It did belong to the US Government. They sold it as surplus to Trump for $5 mill and he quickly pumped another $7 mill into making it livable. The club is a success and it is not because Trump is such a lovable guy. It is because he delivered a quality product in an area that had a need for such a product.

I don't belong to a Country Club but I get invited to them all the time. This is because if you don't have an office, and a lot of folks in my line of work don't, it is hard to find a better place to talk shop than the local Country Club.

And if you play it right you can claim all the costs as a business expense.

Because it is.
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:33 AM
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45 did not create those jobs as a politician, he created those jobs as a private person just like Cuban, Gates, Allen, Zuckerberg to mention just a few. The question seems to be, how many of those jobs that 45 created went to US citizens?

When Obama took office the economy was in a free fall. The DJ increased by over 140%. Unemployment went down to 4.5%. I'll take that goose egg all day long.

Look, I know it is hard to accept but Obama lost his bid for a 3rd term. It's an unfortunate reality but we all have to learn to deal with it in our own way. 45 is now president and what he has said and what he is doing do not match up.

All that is beside the point. Why is it that 45 is unable to locate 70+ people to work at his golf club and has to hire immigrants that will bring the wages for those jobs down for other Americans? He is not hiring rocket scientists or engineers. He is hiring cooks, waiters and maids.... not exactly hard to find.

I guess they did not have a lot of time for that investigation huh?

Yes, he was talking about illegal immigrants but the principle seems to still stand, he is hiring foreign labor to take US jobs.
Exactly right.
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Not only did Trump create jobs when he was a private person but he also did it to make a profit off of their labor. He never hired a soul because he is such a swell guy.

And Trump didn't create a single job. The marketplace did. If Trump can turn labor in to money he will but he can't turn straw into gold.

I have people working for me. Did I hire them because I like giving people money? Nope. It's because they do work I can't do which I then turn around and sell to my customers. And I make a tidy profit in doing so.

Trump is now in the job of creating jobs for Americans. There is no profit in it for him; it is just his job. We pay him to do so because we can't create job opportunities on our own by dictating US trade policies. And we all come out ahead when there is more free money floating around since it creates more customers for everything.

And, uh, Trump...... If you are reading this there is a small town in Nebraska that is about to lose 2,000 jobs due to a merger. Most of these people voted for you. If you are not too busy next week could you perhaps look into this? Maybe you can help.

Because helping those people is now your job.
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...Before a company can hire these workers they have to advertise for American citizens and then prove they didn't get enough applications. Trump placed ads in a small local paper for two days which is the minimum required by law. Then claimed not enough people applied. Then he applied for the visas
Complete unadulterated 100% lie.

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...By the way..... Trump has gotten some blowback from the wealthy over his membership rules. In the past Mar-O-Largo would not allow anyone who was Jewish, Black or Gay to join the club.
Another complete unadulterated 100% lie.

There never was a club prior to Trump starting it in the 1990's from the start Jews, Blacks, and Gays were welcomed.

Anybody who has ever spent a couple weeks in Palm Beach knows that gays are a very significant and important part of the elite Palm Beach Social scene and have been for many many decades. To believe that socialites, movers and shakers in Palm Beach society would be excluded on the basis of their sexual preferences is unfounded in reality and patently absurd.

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...And for all the criticism people throw at Trump, and I am one of them, it is hard to not notice how he cleaned up this dump. It did belong to the US Government. They sold it as surplus to Trump for $5 mill and he quickly pumped another $7 mill into making it livable. The club is a success and it is not because Trump is such a lovable guy. It is because he delivered a quality product in an area that had a need for such a product.
More lying BS.

Mara Lago was the home of Marjorie Merriweather Post, post Cereal Heiress and her husband E.F. Hutton when she died in 1973 she willed it to the US government as a "Winter White House", the US Government returned it to the Post estate in 1981.

When I lived in and around Palm Beach from the mid 1970s and 1980s, there was still a large wall maybe 10 or 12 foot high surrounding the property's southern border bounded by Southern Blvd.(FL SR 98) and Palm Beach's South ocean Blvd. that was completely covered on it's top surface by tens of thousands of broken glass bottles embedded in concrete! The outer and inner sides of the wall where landscaped with dense thickets of Spanish Bayonet plantings! Old school security systems!!!

In 1985 Trump after some brilliant real estate intrigue and a $2 million dollar feint, he purchased the entire property for $7 million from the Post estate.

In the 1990s Trump after being denied permit's to break up the property re-imagined it as the private club it remains today.

Regarding the product and the need for it provided by Trump is only true in one respect. Mar-a-Lago caters predominantly to the nouveau riche wannabeseen crowd, real Palm Beach society is dominated by private clubs that cater to the world's "old money" memberships dominated by the Vanderbilts, the Astors, the family fortunes of the Robber Barons and their spawn the Flaglers and Bessemers along with a smattering of European nobility and a few New World oligarchs like the Cuban Fanjul sugar barons.

Even families like the Kennedy's are considered "shiny coins' among the socialite party goers in the Mizner designed cocina rock and pecky cypress Mediteranian/Spanish influence grand homes. Even Rush Limbaugh can only buy his way into the upper echelons with very very generous donations to their hosts favorite charities if he's lucky enough to even be invited to attend.

I'll bet a dollar to a donut Pooka has never spent a night in a Palm Beach bed.
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