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Old 08-26-2004, 12:53 PM
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Unfit for Command, By John E. O'Neill and Jerome L. Corsi

Here are three excerpts from the book. These were published in the Washington Times recently.

Part I:

Link to entire excerpt here

Short excerpt here:

"In the history of Swift Boats in Vietnam, all military personnel served a tour of duty of at least one year unless seriously wounded. Among the few exceptions was John Kerry, who requested to leave Vietnam in 1969 after four months, citing a regulation that permitted release of personnel with three Purple Hearts.
Kerry, now the four-term senator from Massachusetts and the Democratic presidential nominee, is also the only known "Swiftee" who received the Purple Heart for a self-inflicted wound.
None of Kerry's three Purple Hearts was for serious injuries. They were minor scratches, resulting in no lost duty time."

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'Sampan incident' belies heroic image [Entire text]

Short excerpt here:

"John Kerry invented a "war hero" persona in his private journals and in the home movies he filmed and staged in Vietnam. Playing the lead role, he developed a past intended to advance his future political ambitions.
In reality, Kerry was regarded by his Navy peers as reckless with human life. Although Douglas Brinkley's biography "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" recalls that Kerry used the call sign "Square Jaw" for a short time, it doesn't mention the sign he actually used for most of his four months in Vietnam: "Boston Strangler."
Kerry portrays himself as a Swift Boat officer constantly protesting to his superiors about criminal war policies and inappropriate tactics. In reality, while Kerry constantly complained about the location of assignments to his peers, he hardly ever said a word of protest or spoke out in objection to any superior officer."

Part III
An angry dispute over a rescue in the river. [Entire text]

Short ecxerpt here:

"John Kerry was involved in his final "combat" in Vietnam on March 13, 1969.
The public has seen it: The incident has been the subject of more than $50 million in paid political advertising.
The incident was featured before the Democratic presidential caucuses in Iowa, where Kerry met in tearful reunion with Jim Rassmann, the Special Forces lieutenant who he "rescued from the water."
Here is Kerry's account of the final episode of his four-month Vietnam cameo, for which he received his third Purple Heart and a Bronze Star:
A mine went off alongside Kerry's Swift Boat, PCF 94. Rassmann was blown into the water. Kerry was terribly wounded from the underwater mine.
Kerry, 25, turned his boat back into the fire zone and, bleeding heavily from his arm and side, reached into the water and pulled Rassmann to safety with enemy fire all around. Kerry then towed a sinking boat out of the action.
There is only one problem with this scenario involving five Swift Boats on the Bay Hap River, described in Douglas Brinkley's biography "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" (William Morrow, 2004) and elsewhere: It is another gross exaggeration of what actually happened and, in several ways, a fraud perpetrated upon the Navy and the nation.
Kerry's conduct on March 13, 1969, was more worthy of disciplinary action than any sort of medal. The action certainly does not establish his credentials for becoming the president of the United States."

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Gee, do you have any detailed descriptions of the dental work George Bush received at the time Kerry was being such a wuss on his swift boat? I mean dental work, man, now THAT's gallantry!

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Good stuff.

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I suppose any refutation of Kerry's actions in Vietnam is too much to handle.

So here's a picture of Bush's dental records. No reading needed.

Bush's dental records, early 70's
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Posted by SFloriII: I suppose any refutation of Kerry's actions in Vietnam is too much to handle.

So here's a picture of Bush's dental records. No reading needed.

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Thanks for sharing. Yes, at a time when he could have put up--or shut up--our future Commandeer in Chief was getting that mouth IN SHAPE! Except--I thought chicken hawks had no teeth.

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So did you intentionally wait until the book and it's accounts had been discredited before posting this or did you just miss the last week of news?
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Through his presidency he has struck me and the entire planet as quite the coward.
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So did you intentionally wait until the book and it's accounts had been discredited before posting this or did you just miss the last week of news?
You gotta read between the lines. Anyone who's seen any kind of news over the last thirty years knows there's a "refutation" for anything. Read and decide for yourself. That's why I posted.
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Well... if it is printed in a book, it must be true!

As we all know, the Regnery Press publishing house has only the HIGHEST regard for the truth, whereas the media outlets that have issued the refutations are just a bunch of liberal criminals, communists, insane asylum escapees, etc., and have NO credibility, and everything they say can be dismissed out of hand.

Same thing with the veterans that served with Kerry in the boat. Can't believe them. No credibility.

Same thing with the military records, and the medal citations for Kerry AND the guys who are now making the allegations against him. All a crock. It was wartime. They were confused about whether there were bullets in the air or not. Probably just mosquitos.

It is also a fact that the more times you repeat an allegation, the more true it gets. Unless the allegation is done by a liberal. They're partisan.

So -- thank you for printing those excerpts! It certainly has convinced ME that John Kerry is unfit to be President!

This is the best thing Regnery has done for the nation since revealing to the world all those murders that Bill Clinton committed at the Mena airstrip.
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LIAR #1: John O'neill

Ok, lets take a real good look at these guys, Author 1, John O'neil, did not serve with Kerry, and is the man leading the charge. He was part of the criminal Nixon Whitehouse, and his job then, as early as 1971, was to go after Kerry because Nixon saw Kerry as a political threat in Kerry's role as head of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. This guy has no connection what so ever with Kerry's war service, and has been after Kerry for 33 years. During this controversy, he has been exposed in lie after lie. Here's just a couple:


What goes around comes around: O'Neill lied about being in Cambodia during the Vietnam War

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth co-founder John E. O'Neill, co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, has accused Senator John Kerry (D-MA) of lying about being in Cambodia during the Vietnam War, claiming that neither Kerry nor any other U.S. crewman were in Cambodia at that time. Yet a newly released audiotape of O'Neill meeting with former President Richard Nixon in 1971 reveals that O'Neill told Nixon that he was in fact in Cambodia on a swift boat during Vietnam. Either O'Neill lied to the president then, or he is lying now.

O'Neill now claims that Kerry was lying about being in Cambodia during the Vietnam War because no one was allowed into Cambodia:
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From Unfit for Command: Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. ... Areas closer than 55 miles from the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border. [pp. 47-48]

O'Neill on ABC's This Week With George Stephanopoulos: How do I know he's [Kerry] not in Cambodia? I was on the same river, George. I was there two months after him. Our patrol area ran to Sedek, it was 50 miles from Cambodia. There isn't any watery border. The Mekong River's like the Mississippi. There were gunboats stationed right up there to stop people from coming. And our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of Sedek. So it was a made-up story. [8/22]

As CNN congressional correspondent Joe Johns reported on the August 24 edition of CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown, "O'Neill said no one could cross the border by river, and he claimed in an audiotape that his publicist played to CNN that he himself had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill said precisely the opposite to then-President Richard Nixon." CNN then aired the audiotape of O'Neill telling Nixon that he was, in fact, in Cambodia during the Vietnam War:

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

Although there was no response from O'Neill on CNN (O'Neill had "not returned CNN's calls," according to Johns), O'Neill was confronted on the issue by Alan Colmes, co-host of FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes. The Cambodia issue was first raised on the program by co-host Sean Hannity, who attempted to dismiss it by asking O'Neill, "[D]o you want to even respond to this attack against you so they [the Kerry campaign] can distract from him [Kerry] never answering a question about the discrepancies in his life?" and then asserting that O'Neill's contradicting comments were "consistent statements." However, Colmes refused to let O'Neill -- who attempted to dismiss his lie by saying "I was talking in a conversation" -- off the hook for his false claim.

From the August 24 edition of FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes:

COLMES: You claimed at one point you weren't [in Cambodia], and then you claimed you were. This is very confusing to people.

O'NEILL: Well, it shouldn't be confused. I was never in Cambodia, and Kerry lied when he said he was in Cambodia.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon you were in Cambodia.

O'NEILL: And it was the turning point of his life.

COLMES: You said to Richard Nixon, "I was in Cambodia, sir."

HANNITY: On the border.

COLMES: There's a tape of you saying that to Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: What's the next sentence? I was along the Cambodian border. That's exactly right. What I told Nixon and was trying to tell him in this meeting was I was along the Cambodian border. As Sean clearly read ...

COLMES: "I was in Cambodia" -- those are your words.

O'NEILL: Yes, but you missed the next sentence. You're not reading the next sentence, Alan.

COLMES: Yes, along the border. But you're in Cambodia or you're not in Cambodia.

O'NEILL: Well, I'm sorry, Alan. I wasn't -- I was talking in a conversation. And the first thing, by the way, I told him in the conversation, as you know, was that I was a Democrat and I voted for Hubert Humphrey.

LIE #2: O'neill says "I'm not a Republican!"

On the August 12 edition of CNN's Crossfire, O'Neill claimed he has had "no serious involvement in politics of any kind in over 32 years."

In fact, O'Neill has made more than $14,000 in federal contributions to Republican candidates and causes since 1990; most people would consider giving $14,000 a "serious" involvement.

There's plenty more about a guy who has been a professional hatchet man obsessed with Kerry here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408130010
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:18 PM
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LIAR #2; John Corsi

The co-author of the book, John Corsi, didn't even serve in the military. He is a vicious anti-Semite, anti-Catholic far right wing headcase who works for Richard Mellon Scaife, the billionaire kingpin of the rightwing smear machine. His writings are noted for his rabid obsession with anal sex. Lets take a look at some of his famous quotes:

"Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"

"Maybe while he's there [The Pope] he can tell the UN what he's going to do about the sexual crimes committed by "priests" in his "Church" during his tenure. Or, maybe that's the connection -- boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press. "(03/03/2003)

"So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the laywers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it. "(12/16/2002)

[On the DC Snipers] "Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers -- typical Islamic boy-buggering -- older man, younger man -- black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media." (11/08/2002)

"Isn't the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA -- oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon's first act in office was to promote "gays in the military." RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together." (11/18/2001)

"After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

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I am sure we can count on these two guys, the anally obsessed Corsi, who can't make a statement without referring to male sodomy, and O'neill, the former Nixon Hatchet man, to write a true and accurate book on Kerry.

The rest of nut job Corsi's story is here:
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Ah, I wondered how long it would take to start attacking the people who wrote the book rather than attacking the book itself. When will we start hearing about suicidal wives & kids, mistresses, bankruptcies, etc?

If this Swiftie thing continues into the convention, I'm betting the hate machine will start emptying the cesspool next week. Anybody else want to take a guess?

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LIAR #3: Larry Thurlow

Figured prominently in the book, is Larry Thurlow, who claims Kerry didn't deserve his bronze star, in in effect says that a Green Beret Kerry saved, the US Navy, and all of Kerry's crew are liars, and he is the one telling the truth. Lets take a look at this paragon of "Truth":


Records Counter a Critic of Kerry
Fellow Skipper's Citation Refers To Enemy Fire


(AP) Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events.

In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.

Larry Thurlow in an anti-John Kerry ad. Thurlow said he would consider his own Bronze Star "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it.

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

As one of five Swift boat skippers who led the raid up the Bay Hap River, Thurlow was a direct participant in the disputed events. He is also a leading member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a public advocacy group of Vietnam veterans dismayed by Kerry's subsequent antiwar activities, which has aired a controversial television advertisement attacking his war record.

In interviews and written reminiscences, Kerry has described how his 50-foot patrol boat came under fire from the banks of the Bay Hap after a mine explosion disabled another U.S. patrol boat. According to Kerry and members of his crew, the firing continued as an injured Kerry leaned over the bow of his ship to rescue a Special Forces officer who was blown overboard in a second explosion.

Last month, Thurlow swore in an affidavit that Kerry was "not under fire" when he fished Lt. James Rassmann out of the water. He described Kerry's Bronze Star citation, which says that all units involved came under "small arms and automatic weapons fire," as "totally fabricated."

"I never heard a shot," Thurlow said in his affidavit, which was released by Swift Boats Veterans for Truth. The group claims the backing of more than 250 Vietnam veterans, including a majority of Kerry's fellow boat commanders.

A document recommending Thurlow for the Bronze Star noted that all his actions "took place under constant enemy small arms fire which LTJG THURLOW completely ignored in providing immediate assistance" to the disabled boat and its crew. The citation states that all other units in the flotilla also came under fire.

"It's like a Hollywood presentation here, which wasn't the case," Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

In a telephone interview Tuesday evening after he attended a Swift Boat Veterans strategy session in an Arlington hotel, Thurlow said he lost his Bronze Star citation more than 20 years ago. He said he was unwilling to authorize release of his military records because he feared attempts by the Kerry campaign to discredit him and other anti-Kerry veterans.

The Post filed an independent request for the documents with the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, which is the central repository for veterans' records. The documents were faxed to The Post by officials at the records center yesterday.

Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version of events.

For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.

Thurlow, an oil industry worker and former teacher in Kansas, said he was angry with Kerry for his antiwar activities on his return to the United States and particularly Kerry's claim before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that U.S. troops in Vietnam had committed war crimes "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

" 'Upset' is too mild a word," said Thurlow, a registered Republican, of his reaction to Kerry then. "He did it strictly for his own personal political gain, and it directly affected every single one of us as we were trying to put our lives together."

Two other Swift boat skippers who were direct participants in the March 13, 1969, mine explosion on the Bay Hap, Jack Chenoweth and Richard Pees, have said they do not remember coming under "enemy fire." A fourth commander, Don Droz, who was one of Kerry's closest friends in Vietnam, was killed in action a month later.

The incident featured prominently in an anti-Kerry television ad produced by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth earlier this month. "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star," says Van Odell, a gunner on PCF-23, one of the boats that came to the rescue of the stricken boat. "I know. I was there."

The Bronze Star controversy is also a major focus of an anti-Kerry book by John E. O'Neill, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," which will hit No. 2 on The Post's bestseller list this weekend. The book accuses Kerry of "fleeing the scene" and lying repeatedly about his role.

Members of Kerry's crew have come to his defense, as has Rassmann, the Special Forces officer whom he fished from the river. Rassmann says he has vivid memories of being fired at from both banks after he fell into the river and as Kerry came to his rescue. The two had an emotional reunion on the eve of the Iowa Democratic caucuses in January, an event that some political analysts believe helped swing votes to Kerry at a crucial time.

The Bronze Star recommendations for both Kerry and Thurlow were signed by Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, who received reports on the incident from his base in the Gulf of Thailand. Elliott is a supporter of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and has questioned Kerry's actions in Vietnam. But he has refused repeated requests for an interview after issuing conflicting statements to the Boston Globe about whether Kerry deserved a Silver Star. He was unreachable last night.

Money has poured into Swift Boat Veterans for Truth since the group launched its television advertisement attacking Kerry earlier this month. According to O'Neill, the group has received more than $450,000 over the past two weeks, mainly in small contributions. The Dallas Morning News reported yesterday that the organization has also received two $100,000 checks from Houston home builder Bob Perry, who backed George W. Bush's campaigns for Texas governor and for president.

Bush campaign officials have said they have no connection to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which is not permitted to coordinate its activities with a presidential campaign under federal election law
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Ah, I wondered how long it would take to start attacking the people who wrote the book rather than attacking the book itself. When will we start hearing about suicidal wives & kids, mistresses, bankruptcies, etc?

If this Swiftie thing continues into the convention, I'm betting the hate machine will start emptying the cesspool next week. Anybody else want to take a guess?

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Wow. Didn't even take five minutes and I thought it would take another 5 days!
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Ah, I wondered how long it would take to start attacking the people who wrote the book rather than attacking the book itself. When will we start hearing about suicidal wives & kids, mistresses, bankruptcies, etc?

If this Swiftie thing continues into the convention, I'm betting the hate machine will start emptying the cesspool next week. Anybody else want to take a guess?

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Lets try to be a little intellectual here. The book claims that the official records, Kerry's crewmates, a Green Beret, the commander of the adjacent Swift Boat in Kerry's flotilla all are liars. They claim to be the ones "for Truth". Their truthfulness is a very valid issue, they have madse it so, and there is now great questions on whether they actually have any. In addition, their claims are the basis for the book. Any reasonable person would see the book is being directly address here. Just read what I post, and you might notice that.

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