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Old 08-26-2004, 11:20 PM
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It was in ref to Joe's observation that when some folks declare their intention to leave and then others ask them not to leave. Joe finds it silly. My comment was that the reason I have ask some folks not to leave is that I respect them.

Oh well. So much for clever literary allusions to popular culture.

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Old 08-27-2004, 03:59 AM
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Well, kidding aside, I admire your tenacity. So many others have run away, yet you remain to defend your wrong opinions. You would have made a good Spartan at Thermopolye.
Some of us aren't running away, we are just pausing to get our bloodpressure back to a normal level. Some of us dont like talking to brick walls, or worse yet . Its maddening to encounter people that will deny a truth set before them, argued with reason and fact. Its absolutely enraging when these people start making laws based off of their denial of that truth.


And that is not a Kerry reference. Just a quality of leftists I have encountered, as well as some conservatives.
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Old 08-27-2004, 05:19 AM
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It was in ref to Joe's observation that when some folks declare their intention to leave and then others ask them not to leave. Joe finds it silly. My comment was that the reason I have ask some folks not to leave is that I respect them.

Oh well. So much for clever literary allusions to popular culture.

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Old 08-27-2004, 02:09 PM
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This is one car guy that is ready for the Presidential election to be over. Perhaps then we can get back to talking about cars. Seems like we have attracted a few new members of the forum that have much too much time on their hands. And yes I am proud to say I support the President. This is the one and only post from me on the subject of Presidential politics.
The board was much different not too long ago. And I didn't see anybody crying about it being "pro-bush" then.....
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:50 PM
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Some of us aren't running away, we are just pausing to get our bloodpressure back to a normal level. Some of us dont like talking to brick walls, or worse yet . Its maddening to encounter people that will deny a truth set before them, argued with reason and fact. Its absolutely enraging when these people start making laws based off of their denial of that truth.


And that is not a Kerry reference. Just a quality of leftists I have encountered, as well as some conservatives.
If both sides claim to have logical and reasonable positions, the positions must be based upon different premises or assumptions.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:53 PM
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... Its maddening to encounter people that will deny a truth set before them, argued with reason and fact. Its absolutely enraging when these people start making laws based off of their denial of that truth.

...... Just a quality of leftists I have encountered, as well as some conservatives
So your core problem is people who believe differently than you do enrage you.
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Old 08-27-2004, 04:01 PM
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So your core problem is people who believe differently than you do enrage you.
No. If you would read what I wrote, you would have seen that I said that people who make laws based off of their ignorance and stupidity enrage me. Like the AWB. What logic dictated that cosmetic features are dangerous? When was the last drive-by bayonetting that you saw on the news?

Instead, you take the opprotunity to slur me by insinuating that I am some sort of intellectual bigot.


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If both sides claim to have logical and reasonable positions, the positions must be based upon different premises or assumptions.
That would be called a debate. I was not talking about a debate, where people actually use reason and argue facts. I am talking about people who argue a peice of unproven propoganda and their biased opinions (created by the propoganda, in most cases) like it was the word of God. It happens on both sides.
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Old 08-28-2004, 01:29 AM
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No. If you would read what I wrote, you would have seen that I said that people who make laws based off of their ignorance and stupidity enrage me. Like the AWB. What logic dictated that cosmetic features are dangerous? When was the last drive-by bayonetting that you saw on the news?

Instead, you take the opprotunity to slur me by insinuating that I am some sort of intellectual bigot.


That would be called a debate. I was not talking about a debate, where people actually use reason and argue facts. I am talking about people who argue a peice of unproven propoganda and their biased opinions (created by the propoganda, in most cases) like it was the word of God. It happens on both sides.
Personally, I never saw the big deal over bayonet lugs. They just add weight to the gun and they are useless anyway. I've always looked at the AWB as a stupid toothless law anyway. I really would not look for gun control to be a big issue for the next twenty five years. Terrorism took care of that.

I am not trying to slur you. Let me tell you how I look at it: Everybody has a right to be wrong. It is the mental processes invoked in your head when someone disagrees with you that are important, and those processes get blocked if you block out other people's opinions. You are either going to have your opinions enforced by the experience, or every once and awhile you will hear something that might make you see something differently. I think for a lot of people it is a fear of that - that they might have their ideas challenged more then they can bear, that makes them angry or uncomfortable.
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Old 08-28-2004, 08:29 AM
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....I am not trying to slur you. Let me tell you how I look at it: Everybody has a right to be wrong. It is the mental processes invoked in your head when someone disagrees with you that are important, and those processes get blocked if you block out other people's opinions. You are either going to have your opinions enforced by the experience, or every once and awhile you will hear something that might make you see something differently. I think for a lot of people it is a fear of that - that they might have their ideas challenged more then they can bear, that makes them angry or uncomfortable.
Or it might be that what he said is what he thinks.
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Old 08-28-2004, 04:08 PM
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Thanks, Bot.

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Terrorism took care of that.
Unless the democrats and RINO's get it in their head that the terrorists are coming over here and buying these scary weapons at gunshows, blah blah blah. According to "those in the know" {sic}, AW's are supposedly the choice weapon of terrorists. Yeah, if you are a peice of paper or a tin can.

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Everybody has a right to be wrong.
Sure. But they dont have the right to make broad sweeping legislation based upon their ignorance or chosen disbelief (both sides of the Iraq issue, guns, medicare, drugs, etc). When people's ignorance starts becoming my problem through the government's action or potential action, it is my job to fix it. That is when I try to educate, and if that doesnt work, replace through voting, those whom have let their ignorance affect me. Am I making sense? I hope I am being clear, but fear that may not be the case.
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It is the mental processes invoked in your head when someone disagrees with you that are important, and those processes get blocked if you block out other people's opinions. You are either going to have your opinions enforced by the experience, or every once and awhile you will hear something that might make you see something differently.
Sure. But I have yet to hear a convincing arguement why, for example, a government solution to retirement is a better one than the action of private citizens. But that isnt the topic of the thread, so lets not digress, k?
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I think for a lot of people it is a fear of that - that they might have their ideas challenged more then they can bear, that makes them angry or uncomfortable.
Well, that can apply. But that isnt what I said. I only block out things that I know to be wrong, because they are wrong. 2+2=elephant, guns cause crime, Saddam was a happy benevolent leader whom loved one and all, W can articulate his thoughts well, Kerry hasnt voted like a liberal in the senate, water isnt wet, etc.

Are we clear-er?

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