I know who is trying to take away our guns
 

A gun buy-back program continues in Wilkes-Barre PA where Police have set up a pilot program funded by a $10,000 REPUBLICAN federal grant.

When a citizen 'surrenders' a rife or shotgun, the person gets a WAL-MART $50 gift certificate. For a handgun it is $75.00.

So, I guess the democrats don't want to sieze 'our' guns, its the republicans and wal-mart... 'Course, anybody with a lick of sense would understand that the federal government is so inept at practically doing anything that this buy back is smarter...

Hell, there's no need for anybody to take away weapons. Wave some wal-mart funny money in front of them and they start lactating and do whatever is asked. Price check on aisle 3....

:bsflag: Thats total B.S. and you know it. Prove it. Its the democrats who have driven every gun grab regulation that has been presented.

Heck, I think that's the best possible way to get privately owned guns. Its voluntary and folks that don't want their guns get some money. Don't want to sell? Well, then don't sell. Keep your SKS or whatever, who cares?

I fail to see a problem here. Perhaps ya'll can help me?

The problem is its NOT a republican funded program.............he's creating a inflamitory thread thats based on lies. Next thing he's going to say the NRA is actually behind it. Then space aliens are visiting him at night telling him things.

Attempting to deny American citizens their constitutional rights is the cornerstone of the Democratic party, Or more like it a good portion of them.

THe people who advocate denying anyones second amendment rights better be ready to lose their first amendment rights because that follows soon after.

I think the gentleman protests too much...

I call your attention to the fact that the gov't is controlled by the REPUBLICANS, it is a FEDERALLY funded pilot program and you can see for yourself at the

WNEP 16 web site, 6pm local news. ITs the fourth story after Doubling fines for speeding along I-81, a drunk's perp walk, a killer's perp walk, 2 robberies. Jon Meyer is the reporter. I think that's been proven now, ok. You can't think this stuff up, you know, its just too wierd.

Man, you are just tooooo delusional caught up in all the right wing propaganda...

BYI, in the business I'm in I carry a 9mm Browning and 32 Beretta mouser. I like guns and democrats. :)

Couple a weeks ago a buddy and I tooled out to Camp Perry to pick up some M1's and M1903 Springfields. We came back with 2000 rounds of 30-06 and 4 weapons. THe gov't is selling them to citizens. Even to democrats like me...

So what?

If it's the Republicans, good for them. If they don't like guns in Wilkes Barre (or whatever) then the offer to buy them is a good one. Same if its Demos or Libertarians or freaking Elks Club. Its an offer, not an order.

Shoot, if somebody offers me the right price, I'd sell the ol' hogleg without looking back. $75 ain't even close (But I'd consider letter my Red Rider go for that.)

Give it a rest.

B

So prove its a program proposed and supported EXCLUSIVELY by republicans...........................

And is this a gun buyback targeted at the inner city crime area to get hot guns off the street?

And Just because its a republican majority use common sense, it doesn't make it a republican bill. you only need a few left leaning republicans to agree to it.

It can be an overwelming Democrat bill. You can't accuse the Republicans for running the NRA and then try to accuse them of being gun grabbers.

The recently expired (thank god) gun ban was signed buy Clinton, not Bush.

Think any gun laws will keep criminals from getting guns, think again. Cocain and Heroin get smuggled by the tons.......so could guns.

Like Botnst said, chill out, this was a post with tongue firmly in cheek. It was made to show the ridiculous silly things we americans get ourselves into. Fear and Paranoia are the main tools of the agitprop to keep the masses under control.

None of this c#ap matters in the long run. we're all dead in the long run...

Hey, I don't care who said what or why.

If they want to melt them all into a giant phallus and dance about it nekkid wearing garlands of flowers in May, that's fine with me.

If somebody thinks expunging the planet of .32 pistols is going to cure cancer and reveal the face of god, that's fine with me, too. Just don't force me to go along.

I don't understand why its so upsetting or important whether its this party or that. Its an offer, freely given. Isn't that just about as wonderful a thing as a government can do--noncoercive policy?

The issue its that its an offer, not an order.

Tom Selleck in 2008
http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/003/268/tom_N.jpg

So its fine to poke jabs at republicans, but not Democrats?

personally I would like the Webmaster to prohibit politically based threads altogether.....then these issues would not be issues.

Heck, sounds to me like the Republican Party is subsidising a weaponry upgrade for these folks. And if that's wrong, I don't want to be right :wacko:

Like I said, when they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.....

Criminals can import guns the same way they import drugs............

You can pry my guns out of my cold, dead hands!

Charlton Heston is my president!

What was Botnst's favorite,
"Said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it.”
That ones Selleck from Quigley

Late breaking update:---

County runs out of money, turns hundreds away as gun buy back program runs out of money after 150 weapons turned in by citizens.

WIth over 150 weapons of all types (including 2 illegal sawed off shotguns) the county calls the program a huge success. Officials said they will cancel guy buys in 4 other towns as they will seek more money to buy more guns.

(top story on WNEP 16 11pm EST news)

Like Botnst said, this is a good way to get guns off the street.

you call that huge success??? 2/150 you must be joking.. ha, ha... i actually agree with bone here. he, he... this kind of crazyness only get's granny guns from under the couch... and takes police officers from the duties they actually swore to uphold... fighting crime...
:bobby:

I wouldn't.

IMHO I think it is very foolish that people tend to make it a black and white issue when it comes to Dems v. Reps -- We have had some terrific Dems and some terrific Reps. The way certain people ( :rolleyes: ) make it D v. R battle is simply uneducated at best. You have to look at the person and what *they* stand for. NOT the party. I had no love for most Dems. prior to Clinton, but I look at him as the person he is, NOT the party he belongs to. The same can be said about race, etc..

Bonehead, I was probably the first or second person to ask that this forum be put back up. You have no idea the help it ihas given me, but I have to be honest, I would not be happy if the lack of ability to distinquish between a person and a group causes this forum to be removed again.

Thanks for listening.

Pete

P.S. I am going to cross-post this @ my "Cold War" thread too...

Dude. Chill out. Really.

Mike

All I want to know is: How much is Camp Perry selling the M1s and '03s for? Any left? :sun_smile

I think the DCA ran out of surplus Garands a few years ago....but I could be wrong.

Dammit! Have you been peeking at my wedding plans? :dizzy:

Whoa, where's my invitation?

Spock got the last one... :musicbooh

Instead of getting all your knickers in a bunch over gun buy backs and gun laws and guns in general, please stop shooting each other. We have as high or higher per-capita gun ownership but somehow refrain from shooting each other.

I don't get it.

well some groups would rather take away your guns than punish people for using them to commit crimes.

I never shot anybody yet either........and am not looking to shoot anyone tomorrow either.

Buy backs
 

Programs like these are an excellent way to get $50 or $75 for a $20 p.o.s. You also can intercept folks on their way to the buy back table and make them a better offer. Sort of like a garage sale.

Yes, but many Americans are shooting each other. Despite similar crime rates to most developed nations, the US has rampant gun related violence. Your murder rate is very high, and specifically, gun violence is off the charts compared to most other nations.

Why?

Is it a polarization of the nation into inner-urban poor areas and suburban wealth?

It can't be the lack of "punishment" since the US has incredibly harsh penalties and a very high per capita imprisonment level. More police does not equal lower crime. We have lighter sentences, fewer police, lower rates of imprisonment, and much, much lower violent crime and murder.

Cultural? Is there a wild west holdover? Biblical? Eye for an eye?

Any sociologists out there with an explanation?

What it is, is a lack of instilling in ones children a sense of right and wrong, and making them accountible for their actions.

Most of these high crime areas the kids run wild and do what they want. And the parents argue that 11 year olds have the right to run the streets a 2am all week long.

Its wild kids and do nothing parents is who I blame. From what I have seen of Canada the kids are raised better that in the cities here by the parents who don't have the spine to discipline their kids.

I love Nova Scotia.......and Prince Edward Island. Looks like paradise almost.

Armchair sociologist reporting for duty:

We have an ill culture. Our culture is materialistic, elevating the acquisition of goods for the sake of having goods to an unusually high priority. Our culture is mobile, severing children from the support network of an extended family (yes, a village) and leaving people to fend for themselves without a familial safety net. After a couple of generations without this support network or this access to parenting experience, you have generations of people who have not been raised well in turn raising other generations without benefit of having experienced proper discipline or teaching themselves. Our family structures are broken, requiring that many custodial parents work full-time jobs who wouldn't otherwise, leaving children unsupervised for extended time periods -- feral children. We have a crappy state-run, bureaucracy-ridden educational system that fails to educate children. (If you want to be very frightened, read this thread, and I mean read the whole thing.) We have a culture that emphasizes appearance and image over substance and responsibility, a culture that disregards the need for personal responsibility and instead seeks outside causes for any failure, a culture that does not respect education or value the old. We have a culture that routinely shows gore, death and violence on television, but freaks out over the exposure of a woman's breast or bare back.

It all adds up to greed for things untempered by personal responsibility or respect for and empathy with others. In short, I think our culture as a whole is psychotic, and psychotics have no problem using force to acquire the things they want without regard for victims.

We are also running a nonsensical drug war which has the same effects any prohibition movement has.

Ask yourself (or look it up): who is shooting whom? Two big categories: drug dealers shooting eachother (thanks prohibition!) and spouses/lovers shooting eachother (no support network, no communal standards of behavior, no mentoring by grandparents, uncles and aunts, etc on how to conduct relationships). How does a person come to the conclusion that shooting someone is his or her only viable option? I can tell you one thing: Colt or Glock didn't come to that conclusion for them.

Very well said webwench. I agree. I would like to further your theory by saying our children do indeed have a parental authority nowadays. They are not left at home alone. This authority is ever vigilant. It is...

TV.

It programs them, teaches them values, and above all gets them prepared for the material world regardless of almost any channel they choose.

Be afraid. Very afraid.


P.S. Orwell would be proud.

Well put, webwench, though I would challenge one thing: the failures of the education system (of which I have been a part) must be considered in the light of your description of "feral children" It is very difficult to educate a child from the background you describe. Your description is very accurate, by the way. The utter lack of supervision in the lives of today's children is a monumental problem. I began teaching 35 years ago, and the change has been precipitous. Today's kids, in the aggregate, are the most unloved I have ever seen. Putting the responsibility for changing that on the back of the educational system (which is of course not without problems, to be sure) is simply unfair. Vast armies of educators are trying to meet the challenge, but there are some obstacles that they do not have the power (or public support) to overcome. No Child Left Behind is an example of an utterly useless government intervention. That might be a topic for a whole new thread.

Joe B.

Well said, well said! :D

Mike

well said but where is the pic. i was waiting for some kitty pic or something... you gotta have one for this occasion. no?

:)

p.s. i started reading the linky you provided... scary...