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Old 12-10-2004, 07:25 PM
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You will find no amendment in the Constitution, that states that you have the right to drive either.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to spin this, you will not convince me that driving is a right, when it's clearly written out in any state driving manual, that it is a privledge. After sitting in traffic, due to yet another major collision on hwy 114 tonight, IMO, it's a priveledge that is far too freely given, and not revoked agressively enough.

Hope you aren't doing the commute from Dallas. I'd kill myself before doing that 114 route everyday to Roanoke. One of the more amazing things over the years is that Houston traffic got a lot better while Dallas has got steadily worse. I never thought I would say I would rather live in Houston because the traffic isn't as bad. That stretch from Central to Southlake is a freaking nightmare.

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Old 12-10-2004, 08:47 PM
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You will find no amendment in the Constitution, that states that you have the right to drive either.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to spin this, you will not convince me that driving is a right, when it's clearly written out in any state driving manual, that it is a privledge. After sitting in traffic, due to yet another major collision on hwy 114 tonight, IMO, it's a priveledge that is far too freely given, and not revoked agressively enough.
10th amendment, bill of rights, all rights not given to the state are retained by the people.

No spin, there simply isn't a class of "privliges" in the constitution. I simply don't understand people who not only agree to have thier rights taken but actively argue for it.
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Old 12-10-2004, 08:50 PM
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Hope you aren't doing the commute from Dallas. I'd kill myself before doing that 114 route everyday to Roanoke. One of the more amazing things over the years is that Houston traffic got a lot better while Dallas has got steadily worse. I never thought I would say I would rather live in Houston because the traffic isn't as bad. That stretch from Central to Southlake is a freaking nightmare.
I run from what is basically the town of Bridgeport, to DFW airport on hwy 114. Yes, it's gotten VERY bad. Even over the last couple of days, a new backup has sprung up out of nowhere. I figure that I have a week at best, before the parallel road to the highway loads up to impassibility from commuters bailing off onto it like I did this morning. I think I passed over a thousand cars on that stretch between US377 and where the business loop goes into town. HWY 170 has been loaded up pretty bad at the merge recently as well.
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Old 12-10-2004, 08:59 PM
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10th amendment, bill of rights, all rights not given to the state are retained by the people.

No spin, there simply isn't a class of "privliges" in the constitution. I simply don't understand people who not only agree to have thier rights taken but actively argue for it.
The 10th amendment does not give us the right to drive. As a Libertarian, you'll find me one of the first to raise hell when one of our rights are being trampled on. As for driving, I'm getting more than a little sick of the outright reckless behaviour that has taken root with the driving public. Too many people have your mindset, and act as if they can do whatever they want behind that wheel.

I'd personally support doubling or tripling all fines, and allowing the various municipalities to enforce the laws as agressively as they like. Three tickets between renewals, and you can figure out how you are going to make that long commute without your car. No more deferred adjudification, or defensive driving to keep the violation off of your record. No plea bargains either. Ya wanna drive? Fine. Obey the rules. Gotta problem with that? Then hang up the keys, you don't have the maturity to handle your responsibility. How much do you wanna bet, that the roads get ALOT safer, VERY quickly.
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You're a libretarian?

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Old 12-10-2004, 09:23 PM
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You're a libretarian?

Unreal
And what is wrong with having to be responsible for your actions?
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Old 12-10-2004, 10:42 PM
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Every few weeks the CT state cops go crazy on I-95. Their will be an unmarked car between every exit and tons of marked ones. On those days people never go over 55 if they do they get nailed. Bridgeport is always like this they will ticket you for 60 in a 55, and in one area the speed limit drops down to 40! Now if they ever turned that into a speed trap!

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Old 12-10-2004, 11:34 PM
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And what is wrong with having to be responsible for your actions?
You know of course that Badnarik refuses to get a license.
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Old 12-11-2004, 05:04 AM
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Georgia is having an initiative called H.E.A.T. Highway Enforcement of Aggressive Traffic. I drive over 300 miles a day here and the only ones I've seen them stop are salesmen and military base employees, (most of those are women in Expeditions). In other words they are profiling the speeders who can pay and won't cause trouble. I don't condone speeding but this is a travisshamockery of the law!!
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:18 PM
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I run from what is basically the town of Bridgeport, to DFW airport on hwy 114. Yes, it's gotten VERY bad. Even over the last couple of days, a new backup has sprung up out of nowhere. I figure that I have a week at best, before the parallel road to the highway loads up to impassibility from commuters bailing off onto it like I did this morning. I think I passed over a thousand cars on that stretch between US377 and where the business loop goes into town. HWY 170 has been loaded up pretty bad at the merge recently as well.
I read an article the other day that said certain scientists think the development in the Alliance Airport area is so out of control it may actually cause food shortages in the rest of the world that depends on our exports, due to the massive amount of what was once rich farm land being so rapidly developed in that area. I had a sales call out there at the airport a few months ago and I was absolutely stunned by what has happened there is so few years. I can't believe they built all those thousands of houses on those crummy rural roads and put in all those industrial and air frieght facilities, not to mention that huge NASCAR track, and did not do any major changes to the highway systems. I have never seen such gridlock in my life - on the freeways, the secondary road, every cow path a damned traffic tie up.

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