OK the NRA said this 10 years ago..It's happening - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

#1 05-27-2005, 06:37 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.

The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."

Kuan · #2 05-27-2005, 07:47 AM

Is it April 1st? Someone pinch me.

Botnst · #3 05-27-2005, 08:27 AM

Makes perfect sense to me.

People don't need long pointy kitchen knives. They're just a phallic symbol for violent men. Long and dangerous with a thick grip. I know what's up with that. Homeowners can get sufficient nutrition out of a box of Craft Macaroni and Cheese if they take a vitamin and exersize. The real culprit is advertising by knife manufacturers like Ginsu--cheap knives that anybody can buy are just as deadly as the expensive, professional grade knives. And we all know what type of person buys Ginsu knives.

It is true that some professionals need long, pointy kitchen knives. They should be allowed to. You know, professional chefs. They should be registered of course, to possess and use the knife. They shouldn't need an arsenal of them, just one or two should be more than enough.

I hope this clears-up your misunderstanding of this, MedMech. It's for the children.

Bot

pxland · #4 05-27-2005, 08:46 AM

I'd be worried about these jackasses...if they were in America.

boneheaddoctor · #5 05-27-2005, 08:53 AM

Hey...don't laugh.....baseball bats aren't really needed either and long blunt instruments are frequently used to commit crimes too.

Botnst · #6 05-27-2005, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Hey...don't laugh.....baseball bats aren't really needed either and long blunt instruments are frequently used to commit crimes too.

That's what the missus said, too.

pxland · #7 05-27-2005, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Hey...don't laugh.....baseball bats aren't really needed either

um, except for if you are playing baseball?

pxland · #8 05-27-2005, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst

That's what the missus said, too.

Couldn't resist?

LaughingGravy · #9 05-27-2005, 09:36 AM

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

That's how I cut ripe melons, with a long pointy knife. I guess I should start using my thumbs to perform such a task. Jeesh.

TwitchKitty · #10 05-27-2005, 09:52 AM

Insurance companies are behind many of these ideas that you occasionally hear. Most of them are ridiculous.

If you really want to save lives require people in cars to wear Snell approved helmets. Train drivers and enforce traffic laws. Quit allowing cars on the road that are capable of exceeding speed limits. Quit selling food that kills people, tobacco, alchohol. Quit building bars with parking lots. Take most of the pharmaceuticals off of the market. Make drug enforcement an effort to end illegal drugs instead of one to control the competition. Make the military and political leaders go into battle with the soldiers.

As long as a face will fit in a toilet people whose faces belong there will be killed as needed. Some people have a death wish and need to be killed. They will continue their self-destructive efforts until someone else ends them.

Have a nice day.

pxland · #11 05-27-2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Insurance companies are behind many of these ideas that you occasionally hear. Most of them are ridiculous.

If you really want to save lives require people in cars to wear Snell approved helmets. Train drivers and enforce traffic laws. Quit allowing cars on the road that are capable of exceeding speed limits. Quit selling food that kills people, tobacco, alchohol. Quit building bars with parking lots. Take most of the pharmaceuticals off of the market. Make drug enforcement an effort to end illegal drugs instead of one to control the competition. Make the military and political leaders go into battle with the soldiers.

As long as a face will fit in a toilet people whose faces belong there will be killed as needed. Some people have a death wish and need to be killed. They will continue their self-destructive efforts until someone else ends them.

Have a nice day.

I can appreciate the sarcasm....but you're giving them ideas.

aklim · #12 05-27-2005, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst

Makes perfect sense to me.

People don't need long pointy kitchen knives. They're just a phallic symbol for violent men. Long and dangerous with a thick grip. I know what's up with that. Homeowners can get sufficient nutrition out of a box of Craft Macaroni and Cheese if they take a vitamin and exersize. The real culprit is advertising by knife manufacturers like Ginsu--cheap knives that anybody can buy are just as deadly as the expensive, professional grade knives. And we all know what type of person buys Ginsu knives.

It is true that some professionals need long, pointy kitchen knives. They should be allowed to. You know, professional chefs. They should be registered of course, to possess and use the knife. They shouldn't need an arsenal of them, just one or two should be more than enough.

I hope this clears-up your misunderstanding of this, MedMech. It's for the children.

Bot

Make sure the knife has a serial number cut right thru the blade so you cannot erase it. Make sure that anyone with a long knife goes thru an extensive background check and make sure they have a course on how to use it. NO CARRY CONCEALED tho.

boneheaddoctor · #13 05-27-2005, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxland

um, except for if you are playing baseball?

Bats are as needed in Baseball as sharp knives are needed in the Kitchen....

boneheaddoctor · #14 05-27-2005, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaughingGravy

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

That's how I cut ripe melons, with a long pointy knife. I guess I should start using my thumbs to perform such a task. Jeesh.

Pencils and inkpens post the same threats too.

boneheaddoctor · #15 05-27-2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulC

Retain kitchen knives in their current configuration, and instead, create a breathalyser/kitchen door interlock that will deny the tipsy and potentially violent access to the kitchen itself.

Or... simply create a federal building code that prohibits construction of kitchens in new residential housing. No kitchens, therefore no kitchen knives.

Or...license the use of kitchen knives limiting their use to a relative few, creating a cottage industry whereupon you must call a representative of a licensed cutlery service to come over to your house and cut your steak for you. Hmm...I like this. This could work.

The only flaw I see with these fantastic ideas is that they really won't cut down on killing and maiming, just force the use of other readily available alternatives. If the rubber knife laws are enacted, I forsee a spate of instances of suburban couples trying to run each over with Japanese lawn tractors, blades a-whirling.

Well then the ambulance chasing lawyers would go after those manufacturers to support their greed.

Problem is if you want to kill someone you can do so with whatever you have at hand be it a rock...a gun, a knife, a bat, or your bare hands.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Trying to get 74 450SE running after sitting 20 years - Long repost from tech section	justinbowser	Vintage Mercedes Forum	35	08-02-2008 08:07 AM
300D running after sitting 3 years?	WANT '71 280SEL	Diesel Discussion	17	05-04-2003 05:07 PM
500SL good years? bad years?	spinedoc	Tech Help	4	11-04-2002 04:57 PM
1988 300 CE with 8600 miles	88_Benz_CE	Mercedes-Benz Performance Paddock	8	03-13-2002 07:19 PM
140 chassis diesels, what years were they available.	rickjordan	Diesel Discussion	11	11-15-2001 03:47 PM