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Old 06-21-2005, 10:48 PM
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Eat more Meat!!

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Old 06-21-2005, 10:51 PM
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I am a member of PETA...

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Lifelong member in fact...
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Old 06-21-2005, 11:07 PM
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I am a member of PETA...

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There's some ladies on the pretty girls thread I wouldn't mind taking a bite out of.
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Old 06-21-2005, 11:16 PM
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This is stupid....

Higher animal consuming lower animal.... It's the natural order of the evolution.... Not eating meat because of this "ethics" makes as much sense as condemining birds for eating worms.

Except for very rare cases, I can only see these groups as mass hysteria....

I like to point them out as what happens when you leave an important part of your diet out.....malnourished brains result....and bizarre behaviour can be expected.
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:24 AM
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I just got out of the body shop last week after my 13th Angiogram and 4th coronary artery stent in the last 10 years. During my stay in the cardiac telemetry unit, the cardio-pulmonary rehab people stopped by on several occasions and brought me up to date on current thinking on the role of diet in heart disease. (Obviously my decades long adherence to vegies, whole wheat carbs, and fish/poultry wasn't doing enough!).

They gave me a copy of a recent Mayo Clinic Proceedings article on diet, which summarized points from over 150 recent research papers on diet and heart disease. The paper is titled: 'Cardiovascular Disease Resulting From a Diet and Lifestyle at Odds With Our Paleolithic Genome: How to Become a 2lst-Century Hunter-Gatherer.'

It is long, technical, and has 75 references, but on the topic of protein basically says that modern man's health problems began when he stopped eating a diet made up of about about 50% animal protien. The research indicates that animal proteins - even red meat (lean cuts) are cardio-protective, and that "Diets high in lean protein can improve lipid proflles and overall health, especially if care is taken to trim any visible fat from the meats and to allow the fat to drain when cooking. Lean animal protein eaten at regular intervals (with each meal) improves satiety levels, increases dietary thermogenesis, improves insulin sensitivity, and thereby facilitates weight loss while providing many essential nutients."

There is more, mostly on the need to seek lean cuts of meat, high omega-3 content, no trans fats, moderate temp cooking, low carb/no processed carbs, minimal cereals, high fruit/fresh vegetable/nuts consumption, and varied exercise (aerobic, strength, and stretching programs).

If there is any interest in the article, I can create a pdf page with the article and place it on my web site. But the main point I am trying to convey is that in 20 years of dealing with this issue, none of the cardio people I have seen at 4 hospitals (including a UC teaching hospital/med school) have indicated that it would help, and most felt it would probably hurt my treatment to become completely vegetarian. Doesn't sound to me as if a meat free diet is a long term survival characteristic for humans.
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:35 AM
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I just got out of the body shop last week after my 13th Angiogram and 4th coronary artery stent in the last 10 years. During my stay in the cardiac telemetry unit, the cardio-pulmonary rehab people stopped by on several occasions and brought me up to date on current thinking on the role of diet in heart disease. (Obviously my decades long adherence to vegies, whole wheat carbs, and fish/poultry wasn't doing enough!).

They gave me a copy of a recent Mayo Clinic Proceedings article on diet, which summarized points from over 150 recent research papers on diet and heart disease. The paper is titled: 'Cardiovascular Disease Resulting From a Diet and Lifestyle at Odds With Our Paleolithic Genome: How to Become a 2lst-Century Hunter-Gatherer.'

It is long, technical, and has 75 references, but on the topic of protein basically says that modern man's health problems began when he stopped eating a diet made up of about about 50% animal protien. The research indicates that even red meat (lean cuts) are cardio-protective, and that "Diets high in lean protein can improve lipid proflles and overall health, especially if care is taken to trim any visible fat from the meats and to allow the fat to drain when cooking. Lean animal protein eaten at regular intervals (with each meal) improves satiety levels, increases dietary thermogenesis, improves insulin sensitivity, and thereby facilitates weight loss while providing many essential nutients."

There is more, mostly on the need to seek lean cuts of meat, high omega-3 content, no trans fats, moderate temp cooking, low carb/no processed carbs, minimal cereals, high fruit/fresh vegetable/nuts consumption, and varied exercise (aerobic, strength, and stretching programs).

If there is any interest in the article, I can create a pdf page with the article and place it on my web site. But the main point I am trying to convey is that in 20 years of dealing with this issue, none of the cardio people I have seen at 4 hospitals (including a UC teaching hospital/med school) have indicated that it would help, and most felt it would probably hurt my treatment to become completely vegetarian. Doesn't sound to me as if a meat free diet is a long term survival characteristic for humans.
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:41 AM
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Hi Paul:

I am doing great, just impatient about another week of lmited physical activity, then a week of 50% activity, and a final week of 75% before I can get things back on track. Lets get together for coffee or lunch and catch up on family and MB stories (how are the twins, btw?). I am pretty much open scheduled right now, so whatever looks good on your schedule will probably work for me.

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Old 06-22-2005, 01:12 AM
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Old 06-22-2005, 04:33 AM
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I think one of our biggest problems is that we eat so many different kinds of food at one meal. The critters we evolved from, that is, human beings over the last 5 to 10 thousand years for starters, rarely had the opportunity to have grains, meat, milk, potatoes, sugar, cheese, and fruit all at the same meal, but we routinely do that.

Herbert Shelton did some pioneering work on food combining years ago and the people who wrote "Fit for Life' borrowed heavily from his work. He said animal protein was fine, but you shouldn't load it all down with a bunch of other stuff. In my 20s, I pursued that off and on, and I noticed that when I was really into it, my stomach felt lighter and my body odor got really faint. Then I'd go home for Thanksgiving and oh man, you can't say no to Mom and it does taste good, and Lord have mercy, I would be stinking like I couldn't believe within hours.

You look at the hunter gatherer model: they usually had an abundance of one or two items at a time. You kill a big animal -- you eat a lot of meat. During berry season, you'd eat a lot of berries, etc. An old mountain man once told me that if you have to kill a bear for food, or especially if you just want to and can choose when, the best time is right after blueberry season because the bear has eaten blueberries almost exclusively for a few weeks and his flesh has gotten all cleaned out and is tastier.

Taking that tip in a different way -- up in WA state where I lived most of my adult life, we have several U-pick blueberry patches, where I could eat as much as I wanted while picking, and take home a half full grocery bag for about $5 bucks -- about $50 to $100 retail. A girlfriend I got started on it used to call it "blue stool time."

Yep, it'd clean you out real good, and the evidence was easy to see -- internal cleansing the easy tasty way. Yes, dear friends, a 2 week stay at Dr. cmac's U-pick blueberry retreat center and you'll be a new critter! Try it, won't you?
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For a moment I thought the title of the post was Beat more.....
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:14 PM
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I just got out of the body shop last week after my 13th Angiogram and 4th coronary artery stent in the last 10 years. During my stay in the cardiac telemetry unit, the cardio-pulmonary rehab people stopped by on several occasions and brought me up to date on current thinking on the role of diet in heart disease. (Obviously my decades long adherence to vegies, whole wheat carbs, and fish/poultry wasn't doing enough!).

They gave me a copy of a recent Mayo Clinic Proceedings article on diet, which summarized points from over 150 recent research papers on diet and heart disease. The paper is titled: 'Cardiovascular Disease Resulting From a Diet and Lifestyle at Odds With Our Paleolithic Genome: How to Become a 2lst-Century Hunter-Gatherer.'

It is long, technical, and has 75 references, but on the topic of protein basically says that modern man's health problems began when he stopped eating a diet made up of about about 50% animal protien. The research indicates that animal proteins - even red meat (lean cuts) are cardio-protective, and that "Diets high in lean protein can improve lipid proflles and overall health, especially if care is taken to trim any visible fat from the meats and to allow the fat to drain when cooking. Lean animal protein eaten at regular intervals (with each meal) improves satiety levels, increases dietary thermogenesis, improves insulin sensitivity, and thereby facilitates weight loss while providing many essential nutients."

There is more, mostly on the need to seek lean cuts of meat, high omega-3 content, no trans fats, moderate temp cooking, low carb/no processed carbs, minimal cereals, high fruit/fresh vegetable/nuts consumption, and varied exercise (aerobic, strength, and stretching programs).

If there is any interest in the article, I can create a pdf page with the article and place it on my web site. But the main point I am trying to convey is that in 20 years of dealing with this issue, none of the cardio people I have seen at 4 hospitals (including a UC teaching hospital/med school) have indicated that it would help, and most felt it would probably hurt my treatment to become completely vegetarian. Doesn't sound to me as if a meat free diet is a long term survival characteristic for humans.

Wow! 13 angiograms! Did you get a badge for the grill after that?!?

From what Iíve seen the deeper you go into low protein diet the higher cholesterol and triglycerides become.

I'd really appreciate a copy of the article if it isnít too much trouble.

Thanks for sharing this story!!
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:28 PM
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I like my meat but I do eat my share of leafy green vegies too....and I rarely fry anything....

My bad colesterol and tryglicerides are well below 1/2 of the range thats acceptible...I forget exact numbers. At 43 I am not doing too bad there. My wifes are even lower than mine.

Its important to know what yours are before serious harm comes....and even then...it can still happen.

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