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Old 06-23-2005, 04:07 AM
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The O'Really? Factor

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O'Reilly: ''We Do Not Speculate Here''

6/10/05

Cable news networks are devoting significant time to covering Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba. But the most popular cable host has urged the media to exercise some caution.

On June 9, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly explained, "As you may know, we do not speculate here on 'The Factor.' We have no idea what happened to Natalee or why she left the bar with some Aruban men. I've heard some irresponsible media speculate about that, and it makes me angry."

For those who have been following O'Reilly's coverage of the case, this must have been puzzling. If not "speculation," what would O'Reilly call the following statements he has made about the Holloway case?

"Looks like she's dead because the five people, two arrested, three interviewed, are all shady characters."
(6/6/05)

"I think this was a straight abduction scene. OK? Was she probably -- she went to a Boyz II Men concert before she went to the bar, where she danced and partied. All right? Then she indeed and everybody saw her leave with a couple of guys. Now after that is when I-- obviously, she got into trouble."
(6/6/05)

"But to me, I mean, a woman like this, 18 years old, we know her background, doesn't have sex with three guys she doesn't know. I mean, that doesn't happen."
(6/6/05)

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O'REILLY: And that, unfortunately, leaves me to believe that this poor woman, the chances of her being alive right now are not strong.

CANDICE DeLONG (Retired FBI agent): Correct. Even if they weren't drug dealers, I am with you in your assessment of what her situation may be now because if these are the five people that are most likely to have been with her, and they're in custody or being looked at, where is she?

O'REILLY: She's at the bottom of the ocean.

DeLONG: That's what's got me worried.

O'REILLY: She's at the bottom of the ocean.

DeLONG: It's not looking good.
(6/6/05)
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"I think one of these sleazy thugs will flip. And we'll probably have this solved at the end of the week -- by the end of the week."
(6/6/05)

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O'REILLY: You have a long history investigating murder. A girl gone this long?

PATRICK J. BROSNAN (Former New York City homicide detective): It smells very bad. 240 hours. Where is she? It's a small island.

O'REILLY: It's either she's held captive someplace, because there is that sex trade in the Caribbean. So there is a possibility that they didn't do that [murder]. But if you don't have a body, if they threw the body in the ocean, and there are a lot of sharks, you know.
(6/8/05)
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This sort of speculation is nothing new to O'Reilly. When the story of "runaway bride" Jennifer Wilbanks became a cable news sensation, O'Reilly announced (4/29/05): "It's got to be a crime. A woman like that with a long history of responsibility. She had a steady job.... She just wouldn't bolt and not tell anybody." As it turned out, of course, that's just what Wilbanks did.

And O'Reilly has "speculated" about far more important matters as well. Shortly after the September 11 attacks (9/14/01), he declared: "Saddam Hussein... I believe is involved with this World Trade Center and Pentagon bombing. I believe that you're going to find out that money from Iraq flowed in and helped this happen." No evidence to back up this speculation has since emerged.

And before the invasion of Iraq, O'Reilly repeatedly speculated about how long military operations would take. "I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week," he challenged one guest (1/29/03).

On another show, O'Reilly asserted, "Our military machine will crush Iraq in a matter of days and there's no question that it will." When his guest countered that the war was "going to go on for months," O'Reilly retorted: "There's no way. There's absolutely no way. They may bomb for a matter of weeks, try to soften them up as they did in Afghanistan. But once the United States and Britain unleash, it's maybe hours. They're going to fold like that" (2/10/03).


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Old 06-23-2005, 04:20 AM
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Good stuff. FAIR brings the goods. O'Reilly has firmly established himself as one of the big three righty gasbags along with Limbaugh and Hannity. It's unfortunate because a lot of conservative thinkers are worth listening to, two of my favorites being George Will and Charles Krauthammer (I use the word "favorites" loosely ).

Unfortunately, the three stooges get the biggest audience. Oh well, nothing to do but expose 'em and FAIR does it as well as anyone.

You can get regular e-mails from them with their latest stuff, but you probably knew that.
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:44 AM
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Al Franken is correct 100% of the time.
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:58 AM
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The difference between Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly, is that O'Reilly is a hypocrite!
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Listen to the People who hold the left wing of the DNC which is NPR in such high esteme for reporting nothing factiual....


NPR's Moto is All the spin all of the time....we never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Old 06-23-2005, 09:16 AM
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Isn't O'Rielly a commentator/editorialist rather than a reporter? The diference is profound. You don't expect an op/ed person to present objectivity, that isn't their job. They are there to present a could story or hawk a sellable opinion. If they don't sell stories and opinions, they don't have a job. Like Francken, Limbaugh, Goodman, Buckley, etc.

It's a misapplication to criticize any of them for bad reportage. That ain't their job and that ain't what makes them money.
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Isn't O'Rielly a commentator/editorialist rather than a reporter? The diference is profound. You don't expect an op/ed person to present objectivity, that isn't their job. They are there to present a could story or hawk a sellable opinion. If they don't sell stories and opinions, they don't have a job. Like Francken, Limbaugh, Goodman, Buckley, etc.

It's a misapplication to criticize any of them for bad reportage. That ain't their job and that ain't what makes them money.
I don't think they really care what O'Rielly is or isn't, if he was wrong or not effective they wouldn't even know his name.

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Al Franken is correct 100% of the time.
What does Al franken have to do with any of this? Did BHD somehow get your login?
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...You don't expect an op/ed person to present objectivity, that isn't their job...
When someone claims to be in charge of the No Spin Zone and repeatedly claims that he deals only in facts, we have a right to expect objectivity.
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It's a misapplication to criticize any of them for bad reportage...
That may be, but it is appropriate to call them when they get caught lying, like when Terry Gross got O'Reilly to lie on two separate occasions about his being a registered Republican.
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...The truth hurts, especially those who think they know it all.
What did I miss here? Was there actually something true about what O'Reilly said?
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What does Al franken have to do with any of this? Did BHD somehow get your login?
I have a hangover from fishing all night so I'm a little fuzzy.

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What does Al franken have to do with any of this? Did BHD somehow get your login?
Most people are not blind followers of the DNC..........and that includes non-republicans.
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Most people are not blind followers of the DNC..........and that includes non-republicans.
Is that implying that I am somehow a follower, no wait, a blind follower of the DNC? Some people might find that pretty offensive.
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Is that implying that I am somehow a follower, no wait, a blind follower of the DNC? Some people might find that pretty offensive.

Its only the Cult of Clinton that seems to find fault with anything Fox news does or says...and never find fault with the twisted logic and outright lies that NPR pushes on the public at taxpayer expense.
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My friend, that has nothing to do with the question. Thanks for the regurgitation though. Makes the day go by faster.

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