What is that 777?

Oh. My. God.

I must own one.

I will have to look at the container when I get home. I'm at work right now.

Black Powder Pistols
 

If you find that you enjoy firing your black powder pistol, sooner or later you will want to try a firearm that uses more than a notch cut in the trigger for a rear sight. In my estimation, the best black powder pistol is the "Old Army" made by Ruger. Mine cost me over $200.00 years ago, but is almost impossible to wear out. Get it in stainless steel. You will enjoy using it.
Tom Cowles, Inverness, FL.
tcowl@earthlink.net

Cool, thanx. I'll keep an eye out for one. :cool:

Looks kinda space age but the electonic trigger is a nifty feature. My Walther pellet guns have a fairly stiff trigger which can be largely eliminated by manual cocking -- I imagine this is a lot like a real pistol, though I must admit, I have no experience -- rifles only. My guns have an 8 shot magazine -- it's a small, removable revolver. I've got extras that I fill up ahead of time -- just like a bullet clip. I imagine the pellets are more accurate than BBs -- the bore is rifled and pellets are shaped like miniature badminton (?) balls, heavy on the tip with a wider rear flare to prevent tumble -- but I'm sure the BBs load way faster.

One thing I've found is that I get about half of the shots out of a CO2 cannister as they claim, well I could get more, but the velocity and accuracy falls way off when about half of the pressure is gone...

In the review of the EAA Baikal DROZD BB Gun, the guy was saying he'd like to shoot at full on automatic. Further down was mentioned in passing the point that the cylidnders need a little time to recover heat to have full strength. Even on my semi-auto pellet pistols, if you fire repeatedly without pause, the CO2 cylinder gets so cold from the air expansion that the remaining air pressure is lowered. You really notice it -- it's like suddenly your new cylinder is all spent though it really isn't. It's a built in limitation to speed firing with compressed air.

The pellet gun that appeals to me, real state of the art, is the air-spring, barrell cocked rifle. Most of the rifles like this use a steel spring and if you keep them cocked too long, the spring loses strength. The air spring type uses instead a sealed chamber of air that is compressed with the barrell cocking, which when released pushes a piston forward that in turn compresses new air to fire the pellet. Compressed air molecules don't get tired. Apparently, the best ones have a muzzle velocity of about 1200 fps and are way accurate. They'll kill racoons it's said. If you could make your own pellets, you could be a mountain man with a 10 pound block of lead for years. Wouldn't kill too many bears though. :D

My neighbor bought a bumblebee and it lives up to the review, you can shoot throught the 24 BB clip pretty fast and it's very accurate. I'm getting one to set up a mini urban assualt course, I'm a little rusty.

When I was a kid we f**ked-up a perfectly good Remington Speedmaster .22 to fire full automatic. It'd fire extremely fast bursts of 3-5 rounds and jam. But is was fun for a couple of days. Only other time I fired anything full auto was when I was in the Seabees reserves for about a year after I served my regular tour. The older guys (most of the Seabees reserves were older'n dirt) hating going to the range and didn't like shooting. So they'd fire a couple of magazines and then go sit in the shade leaving piles of ammunition to shoot. So we'd shoot golly, thousands of rounds in an afternoon. Rifle got hot you'd pick-up another rifle. It was a blast.

During the build up for Desert Storm I was sent to a reserve unit to train deployed troops. I ordered 20 LAW rockets and got 200 to train 10 guys. 8 of them wanted no part in firing a shoulder fired rocket launcher :confused: so me and a couple other guys burned off the entire stock in an afternoon, I thought I was pretty deadly with one before but after firing 50 or sixty in a row i could shoot a fly off a cows ass.

What? Those 8 guys had a choice about learning which weapons to become proficient at?? If I was going into fire, I'd want to be as well versed as possible with every weapon that would be at my disposal. And I'm a barely reformed hippie peacenik!!

What's this world coming to...

I was thinking the exact same thing and if memory serves me right they were the Artillery unit that was ambushed by Republican Guard T72's and there was no air support due to a sand storm, if it wasn't for a company of Marines a few clicks away they would have met their God. A few laws would have slowed the advance for sure.

how expensive is it to shoot these BP guns? i have many rifles/guns but never looked into BP

It can be very cheap to very expensive. If you shoot lead balls and bullets which are just as good as copper jacket IMO and loose black powder your in the sub .25 cents a shot range. If you use pyrodex pellets and saboted solid copper bullets it can be 3-5 bucks/shot depending on the bullet cost.

BP shooting is perfect for teaching the fundamentals of firearms as well, but kids including teenagers have no business using it, there's a lot of looking down the barrel time.

Truth IS stranger than friction.

I bet that company was eager to learn about LAWS after that. I'm trying to remember the name of the battle, if you watch discovery shows about Desert Storm they touch on it a little.