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MedMech 06-24-2005 07:53 AM

What is your number #1 priority for the US?
 
I'm posting this poll, it doesn't need to get political you can click and talk or click and shut up.

BusyBenz 06-24-2005 07:57 AM

To survive the Bush administration!

boneheaddoctor 06-24-2005 08:30 AM

Watching out for OUR national saftey from the Muslim Horde..Is #1....#2 is making sure Hillary never gets a chance to let the terrorists take over.

MedMech 06-24-2005 08:53 AM

IMO: all others are moot issues if were being blown up, if terrorist run free and blow up shopping malls you can count on the economy to be in shambles.

Benzadmiral 06-24-2005 09:15 AM

"Securing the borders" is . . .
 
. . . a social issue as well as a security one.

Top priority: End the War against Men as instituted by the radical feminists 30 years ago and since frozen into law. Rebuild the image of masculinity. Teach women that being feminine is not subjection, not slavery. Refuse to put up with disagreeable rad-fem pit bulls.

Second: End the foolish War on Drugs and cut/cancel foreign aid to countries which clearly and publicly hate the U.S. Put that money into something more important, such as the top priority, and on reestablishing space travel. We should have a city on the Moon by now, and colonies on Mars.

Third: Get some common sense back into America! (Oh, wait, Nos. 1 and 2 will make a good start on that.)

Just some ideas . . .

MikeTangas 06-24-2005 09:17 AM

I'd have to say that the first and last options go hand in hand, it takes one to help prevent the other.

boneheaddoctor 06-24-2005 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeTangas
I'd have to say that the first and last options go hand in hand, it takes one to help prevent the other.

I'll agree with that.

Lebenz 06-24-2005 10:16 AM

The evidence of the last few years suggests that if the government becomes scared they will do anything in the name of protection, without regard to the Constitution, common sense, or the better lives of anyone. That many profit from this process is a given, and in and of itself not wrong. The worst element is that it doesn’t take much to start a path towards paranoia…..Due to this path inevitably, and unavoidably is the removal of the basic rights and liberties that founded and grew the country. As the erosion of rights continues, exactly what is being protected?

boneheaddoctor 06-24-2005 10:20 AM

Carl Rove was right................

Honus 06-24-2005 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
Carl Rove was right................

Rove said that Durbin's motive was to endanger American soldiers. He didn't say that Durbin was being reckless or foolish, he said that Durbin is working for the enemy. You think he was right about that?

Rove also said that after 9/11 Republicans got tough with terrorists while "liberals" offered understanding and therapy for them. Looking at his entire speech in context, it is clear that the Democrats in Congress are included in his use of the term "liberals." Why, then, did the Democrats vote to give Bush full authority to prosecute the war on terror?

boneheaddoctor 06-24-2005 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin
Rove said that Durbin's motive was to endanger American soldiers. He didn't say that Durbin was being reckless or foolish, he said that Durbin is working for the enemy. You think he was right about that?

Rove also said that after 9/11 Republicans got tough with terrorists while "liberals" offered understanding and therapy for them. Looking at his entire speech in context, it is clear that the Democrats in Congress are included in his use of the term "liberals." Why, then, did the Democrats vote to give Bush full authority to prosecute the war on terror?

Rove was right on the money with everything he said......And yes I do believe Durbin was more concerned with helping the enemy than helping us....

Brian Carlton 06-24-2005 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MedMech
IMO: all others are moot issues if were being blown up, if terrorist run free and blow up shopping malls you can count on the economy to be in shambles.

I have trouble with such a poll.

I agree with you Med that all other issues become moot if terrorists run free and blow up shopping malls.

But, I can't bring myself to press that "prevent a terrorist attack inside the US" button. Clearly it's probably the most important. But, I have visions of an open checkbook with cavity searches that are occurring on a daily basis at the airports. Money that is clearly thrown down the sewer in the face of "keeping terrorists off the airplane". This government is so GD stupid that they don't even realize that you can't hijack an airplane anymore. You can't do it because you can't get in the cockpit. All the money and time spent at the security checkpoint is largely wasted time.

So, if I press the button, I envision hordes of these "homeland security" *******s decending down like a plague in a foolish attempt to stop a terrorist before he lights the fuse.

I honestly believe that you must prevent a terrorist attack by stopping the terrorist before he enters the country. If you want to crack down hard, crack down on the entry requirements. At least the citizens of the U.S. are not affected. More resources in preventing these individuals from getting here in the first place will probably be much more effective than running around looking for the next ticking bomb.

So, sorry, I can't vote in the poll because it's too simplistic.

Brian Carlton 06-24-2005 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lebenz
The evidence of the last few years suggests that if the government becomes scared they will do anything in the name of protection, without regard to the Constitution, common sense, or the better lives of anyone.

Precisely.

diametricalbenz 06-24-2005 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lebenz
The evidence of the last few years suggests that if the government becomes scared they will do anything in the name of protection, without regard to the Constitution, common sense, or the better lives of anyone. That many profit from this process is a given, and in and of itself not wrong. The worst element is that it doesn’t take much to start a path towards paranoia…..Due to this path inevitably, and unavoidably is the removal of the basic rights and liberties that founded and grew the country. As the erosion of rights continues, exactly what is being protected?

....ummm....McCarthyism and the "HUAC"?

Lebenz 06-24-2005 11:52 AM

Stolen from another thread.....
 
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I raised honey bees for several years. During lean times, many workers died unless I supplemented their dietary needs with some sugar water. During times of plenty, when lots of sweet wildflowers are in bloom, the bees fill every cell of every super but still go for more. They never stop harvesting, no matter what. But when the hives are full, that's the beekeeper's time to harvest.

You grab a thick wad of pine straw and jam it in your smoker and light it up. You put on your bee hat and gloves and accept that you'll get stung several times.

get the smoker putting-out think, cool, resinous smoke and pump it into the doorway. When stressed, honeybees immediately begin consuming as much honey as they can eat by foraging in the filled cells. Evolution tells them that if the queen leaves the hive due to fire, they'll need the food reserves to start a new hive. The beekeepr takes advantage of that. Bees, like humans, when full of sugars get an immediate bounce followed by a lengthy period of lethargy. That's when the beekeeper robs the hive of the remaining honey.
.....reminds me a lot of government of late....

BusyBenz 06-24-2005 06:15 PM

http://mp3.dubyaspeak.com/uniquely_american.mp3

Brian Carlton 06-24-2005 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BusyBenz

She works three jobs..............he works 1/2 a job. Seems equitable to me. :rolleyes:

Plantman 06-24-2005 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by narwhal
To keep the white devil slavemasters from renegging on giving me my 40 acres and .......oh sorry, wrong board. :D

" But you're black"


Lethal weapon II


:)

Plantman 06-24-2005 08:57 PM

Border protection should be of top priority....
 
I also believe all law enforcement should help OJ find the real killer!

computerized guardhouses spaced every 50 miles or so along the border with a laser beam connecting it to the next one. Anyone tried to cross......zzzzzap!

Kinda like a bug zapper.

Sorry MedMech, it;'s friday and I haven't had a drink yet.

Botnst 06-25-2005 09:26 AM

I'm out of touch, obviously. In my patch of swamp the economy is sizzling. Prcie of fuel goes up and things here hum.

BTW, many people want to increase the fed tax on fuel to slow consumption. I don't recall how much/gallon they proposed, but it looks like supply and demand are working the same magic formula proposed for gov.

Except gov ain't squandering it on a new project in Congressman Domfekker's district.

miamimike 06-26-2005 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MedMech
I'm posting this poll, it doesn't need to get political you can click and talk or click and shut up.

I go for Border Patrol. we have "Broken Borders" here any way you cut it! In Miami the Smugglers roll in a practically a daily Basis with their cargo from Cuba. BTW, these mew arrivals are not Political Refugees, they are economic. We cannot solve the World's problems.Close the Door.Or lose our standard of Living.The reason the 9/11 Terrorist lived and trained here(s.fl.) is because they saw the Airport Security as very weak, which it is. We have had many US Immigration Officers and Supervisors in the recent past(even after 9/11) on the "take" taking $$$$$ from immigrants who never should be have been here but in some cases INS(US) Officers traveled to Colombia and sold bogus visas for $4K-$&k per visa and then had them pass thru their Lines at MIA for the Visa Stamp. Last one caught was a Colombian/American and her Husband who worked at the US Embassy in Mexico CIty(miami was their home area) she and her Husband sold close $430,000 worth of Visas to Terrorist members of the Colombian Farc and they passed thru Mexico enroute to the USA. SHe is in Jail now with the husband but what happened to all those Farc Terrorists who already are here, many in the Miami area they say. This was around 6 months ago. The most recent Miami Incident involved Cuban Terrorist Luis Pasoda Carriles who was involved in the blowing up of the Cubana Airliner where innocent kids and coaches were blown up-all were killed. They had nothing to do with Politics. Fidel Castro wasn't on the Plane. What did it solve, blowing up this plane with all the innocent people onboard?? Well, this same Carriles entered the US Illegally thru Mexico, he was on the Miami streets Very Visible for two months. Kids saw him in the Miami malls. Law Enforcement knew where this yahoo was--Our Federal(cia,fbi, customs, ins) security did NOTHING, our State(fdle)and city police knew where he was at--they did NOTHING. Finally a local TV Station was given a TV interview with him(this was how emboldened he became)and he told how he Thumbed his Nose at US immigration in the TV Interview and fooled security(which he did) AT this point,. The Authorities were shamed into picking him up.Sad thing, this was Jeb Bush's own Neighborhood--Literally and he did NOTHING either to shackle this bad actor. Why was allowed to roam--he was supported by a group here in Miami that was on the "Right" side of Politics. He is now detained at El Paso, Texas by Immigration as they decide his case. And people wonder why other countries laugh at us? Prime example right here. Pardon the rant, this subject, loose security and illegals fires me up! :mad: :mad:

MedMech 06-26-2005 07:24 AM

I tried to edit the options so you could vote for more than one, I should have had secure borders with prevent a terrorist attack. They pretty much go hand in hand, but I look at it a little differently.

If all would be terrorist are dead everywhere we don't have to worry about the borders too much.

cmac2012 06-26-2005 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
Carl Rove was right................

Carl Rove is a roving, raving idiot.

Attempting to understand the psychology of the enemy is not a sign of weakness -- it is an important part of any real and productive victory.

boneheaddoctor 06-26-2005 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
Carl Rove is a roving, raving idiot.

Attempting to understand the psychology of the enemy is not a sign of weakness -- it is an important part of any real and productive victory.

The left proves Rove correct every day.................look at what your lefty supreme court judges recently did....

cmac2012 06-26-2005 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by miamimike
The most recent Miami Incident involved Cuban Terrorist Luis Pasoda Carriles who was involved in the blowing up of the Cubana Airliner where innocent kids and coaches were blown up-all were killed. They had nothing to do with Politics. Fidel Castro wasn't on the Plane. What did it solve, blowing up this plane with all the innocent people onboard??

Why was allowed to roam--he was supported by a group here in Miami that was on the "Right" side of Politics. He is now detained at El Paso, Texas by Immigration as they decide his case. And people wonder why other countries laugh at us? Prime example right here. Pardon the rant, this subject, loose security and illegals fires me up! :mad: :mad:

I agree, that was some bogus Bull****.

This will sound woo - woo, please bear with me. We need to become way better at efficiency in energy and resource usage. This is econ 101. Businesses that get the most benefit out of their resources are businesses that thrive at the expense of businesses that are wasteful/inefficient.

Toyota is preparing for a years long a$$ whupping of GM & Ford and it didn't have to be that way. Oil prices ain't gwine to be going down. Fighting over it in the middle east, S. America, and Africa is likely to increase.

Part of the reason we have so much rampant illegal immigration is that we have wealth just lying around, waiting to be picked up by people who have had experience at getting by with way less. Indian immigrants are making good livings at running small hotel/motels and running taxi companies. They've become more adept at utilizing resources than us fat and lazy gringos (present company excluded, of course :sun_smile ).


AND, IMHO, our kids are getting fat because they don't do any or at least enough work. I don't want to see us become a top-heavy dottering, nouveau Roman Empire but it's looking that way.

miamimike 06-27-2005 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
I agree, that was some bogus Bull****.

This will sound woo - woo, please bear with me. We need to become way better at efficiency in energy and resource usage. This is econ 101. Businesses that get the most benefit out of their resources are businesses that thrive at the expense of businesses that are wasteful/inefficient.

Toyota is preparing for a years long a$$ whupping of GM & Ford and it didn't have to be that way. Oil prices ain't gwine to be going down. Fighting over it in the middle east, S. America, and Africa is likely to increase.

Part of the reason we have so much rampant illegal immigration is that we have wealth just lying around, waiting to be picked up by people who have had experience at getting by with way less. Indian immigrants are making good livings at running small hotel/motels and running taxi companies. They've become more adept at utilizing resources than us fat and lazy gringos (present company excluded, of course :sun_smile
AND, IMHO, our kids are getting fat because they don't do any or at least enough work. I don't want to see us become a top-heavy dottering, nouveau Roman Empire but it's looking that way.



You have that right in American Youth of Today(for the most part are spoiled) by their Parents.I mean I see yhese 16-17 tr old kids tooling around in New Beemers and Hondas all souped and decked out -valued at $25,000 Who is paying for it? The Parents spoiling the Kids, they are gettibg Soft way to soon in life.I really beleive that "Our best Times" have sadly passed and China and India are the Rising stars. We have only ourselves to Blame . :( I don't see it as Liberal/conservative issue, our downfall; plenty of blame to go around on both political sides. You only have to look at the Close paralells between the Downfall of Roman Empire and the USA of today and see the close resemblence, for example-1) a national money being more and more worthless every passing day(precipitated by our going off the Gold Standard(bretton woods accord) in 1971. Now we have all this lousy credit getting people in trouble-record credit card debt. 2) Our Military stretched WAY too thin--as it is now without the draft-we are in Deep DooDoo if we have an outbreak in N.Korea while in Iraq. Where's trhe extra troops? Recruiters have not met Goals since Jan. this year--Our present soldiers are exhausted for back to back tours of duty. They say no Draft but watch and see=its COMING-maybe by a different name but its around the corner. There are other similarities if a person reads the "The Rise& Fall of the Empire(roman) :(

Botnst 06-27-2005 07:56 AM

In the latter years of Rome, citizens no longer signed-up for the Army. It was an army composed of foreigners with no allegience to Rome other than lip service. They had some allegience to their commanders who were usually men from powerful Roman political families dependent on subordinates. There was no incentive for soldiers to show personal initiative. Longevity determined noncom rank.

We do have a large number of foreigners in the military. But they are pretty good soldiers eager to gain citizenship (an avenue not available to Rome's mercenary armies).

In the American military the officers are professional, not political appointees.

Loyalty in American the army is to the smallest unit (your buddy) and up from there. Personal initiative is encouraged though longevity is still a part of rank and pay. Which, by the way, Rumsfeld is studying for change downplaying base pay and increasing the role of incentive pay. Infantry finally gets its due. That will be interesting.

MedMech 06-27-2005 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Which, by the way, Rumsfeld is studying for change downplaying base pay and increasing the role of incentive pay. Infantry finally gets its due. That will be interesting.

Where's this stuff B? It's a need to see it thing for me, Rumsfeld doing something for the troops? nahhhhhh ;)

Botnst 06-27-2005 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MedMech
Where's this stuff B? It's a need to see it thing for me, Rumsfeld doing something for the troops? nahhhhhh ;)


Saw it on C-SPAN. Came from the CNO in a presentation to some think-tank.

He said the career paradigm for WWII and the Cold War doesn't fit the realities of today's job market in which people change jobs and may have several careers in a lifetime. Said that 2/3 of his budget was spent on human resources in some fashion and that increasing efficiency had probably reached the max return and now they needed to change the whole paradigm, which he said is do-able. That floored me. He was talking specifically about the USN but I assume Rumsfeld wants the same thinking for every branch.


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